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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    My point is, Network Rail has either been very naive in its approach or very devious. The more I hear on here, I tend to think it was devious. The Railway Heritage letter was drafted at the request of Network Rail - why doesn't it stick to facts that are relevant? What is the purpose of...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Apologies Altnabreac and Llanigraham. I should have made it clear that I was quoting from a Railway Heritage Trust letter to the Planning Authority in support of Network Rail's application. Network Rail requested the letter be sent.
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    I can't fault the passion displayed by so many people but I do find the misinformation worrying. Even Railway Heritage try and mislead. They quote an unfortunate incident at East Farleigh in their letter to LDC - yet the circumstances are different. Secondly, the author says there is no basis in...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    I'm assuming that barriers or gates get damaged mainly because of crossing misuse? According to RSSB, there are more cases of crossing abuse at barrier crossings than gated crossings per population of each.
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    BRblue, much of what you say is exactly what the locals have been saying. I think, but am by no means certain, the rules regarding listing mean that if it is possible (and I mean possible) to repair or replace like for like for it should be done, cost doesn't come into it. Notwithstanding the...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    I am sure I have seen a gated crossing with flashing red lights somewhere. Also, I'm sure I have seen motorised gates? I still can't see what safety benefits, barriers alone would add. Are barriers not prone to quite regular vehicle damage?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    OK, so let me ask what may be a daft question. Are barriers alone, safer than gates? Or is it all the 'bells and whistles' that go with barriers that make them safer?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Not a strange question at all - merely quoting an example of the folly of the risk assessment presented by Neteork Rail.
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Ok, lets try this. Which type of crossing is going to be subject to the most 'red light running' - barriers or gated? --- old post above --- --- new post below --- Ok lets try this. Which crossing (barrier or gated) is likely to have the higher likelyhood of red light running?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    No, the safety assessment by Atkins was fundamentally flawed, hence the rejection and the need for a new one. If it was adequate why are Network Rail doing it again?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    I understand the new application will contain a safety argument that proves the scheme is in the public interest. This will be sufficient to obtain consent. This is not a ppanning application, it is listed building consent and it has to be proven to be in the public interest. Believe me, Network...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Yes, it is highly likely that Network Rail will achieve a new crossing. Is it significant that they are submitting a new application as well as an appeal? The point is, if Network Rail had complied with due process none of this would have 'kicked off' like it has. On a positive note, the 4x4s...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    HowardGWR - I think I am right in saying the submission wasn't made by Network Rail until June 2015. It all seems to have been done on a 'just in time' basis. Leaving it so late, with no proper engagement beforehand was a deliberate ploy? infobleep - I believe that if Network Rail had submitted...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Llanigraham - apologies. I guess a little knowledge (or in my case no knowledge) is a dangerous thing. I really thought the security team were Network Rail. The 4x4s have Network Rail written on the side? Re the new signalling, I assumed (obviously wrongly) that the team of people (I think they...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Network Rail fully accepted that listed consent was required - that has never been in dispute. The big issue was that once the decision was made, Network Rail continued to carry out work regardless. It took a court order to stop them. Network Rail then took legal advice and decided not to...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Me again - it has just occurred to me that a couple of years ago the crossing was opened by hand for at least a week while repairs were carried out. In order to allow trains through, two men closed the gates to road traffic and secured them shut with a chain looped around the gates where they...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    There are always two sides to a story. Please bear with me. Network Rail accepted they needed Listed Building consent - that is why they applied for it. They gambled on getting a decision in their favour. The risk assessment was flawed and therefore failed to prove that barriers were in the...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    I am merely a neighbour not a Railway person so can't help thinking that Network Rail are pulling as many excuses out of the bag as possible and confusing us with reasons why something can't be done. It suits Network Rail not to reopen the crossing as the desire of locals to reopen the road will...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    There were several days between the two statements. The suspicion locally is that Network Rail played for time until they switched over to the new signalling so that their argument became valid. Tell me, what happens 'day to day' if a level crossing fails. Does everything come to a stand or are...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    I can only say it as I see it. As an immediate neighbour I have not been approached once by NR with regard the scheme. I currently have 1 and sometimes 2 big black 4x4s courtesy of NR Security parked at the end of my drive. We sometimes have to ask them to move in order to enter or leave my...

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