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I think perhaps I haven't made my point quite as clearly as I might. What I'm saying is that I have seen passengers behaving in a risky way and I have only seen them because of sheer luck eg the quality of the monitors and the light available at the time was perfect. Had either of these been...

And lots of influential rich people commute from the Grinstead line. Mustn't disappoint them must we. Can't wait to see their faces when they get held up by a pass comm or thrown off because the DOO cameras have packed up.

Possibly. But as many of us have tried to say, it's a question of liability too. We've established that there are services elsewhere where there are rules about use of the doors which passengers follow or take the consequences. What we have in the UK is a fuzzy grey area whereby the driver can...

With all due respect I know that you're incorrect on both counts

DarloRich, thank you for your post. You have absolutely hit the nail on the head. To anyone who wonders how ASLEF can defend the expansion of something they agreed to THIRTY years ago, and how the public can be on side if we are objecting to something that already happens, here is your answer...

The point was that someone was able to leave the train after the driver had closed the doors and he did not see her, but had a guard been on the platform his local door would have been open AFTER he had closed the doors, and thus he would have seen for sure that something was wrong. It's not...

Well there is no one who doesn't want revenue maximised and costs minimised! In anything! But losing guards is picking an easy target and is not more efficient; it will be an overall loss of customer service but nobody's ticket is going to be reduced. DOO can take longer and is more prone to...

Recording something is not the same as investigating. The West Wickham incident could have been prevented with a guard on the platform because he would have seen someone leaving the train at the last second. Instead the report emphasised the hustle alarm issue even though hustle alarms do not...

Hardly. Southern are busy telling the public that DOO will result in fewer cancellations due to no guard being necessary to run a train and that customer service will be improved by the OBS being available for customer service. Whereas in fact it will introduce a new reason to cancel or delay...

But we are discussing SOUTHERN not SOUTHEASTERN. SE DOO stations have monitors on the platforms (and incidentally no battered mirrors or look back, even though those are subject to white outs due to sunlight shining in the cameras or camera/monitor failure as you know). So on SE DOO services...

James, you're quite simply WRONG! There will be no guarantee of someone to provide info because there will be no requirement to provide such a person on the train! If there is no need for someone then absences and staff shortages won't be covered. If there is no need for a role then it...

The reality of the situation will start to bite when trains that can run with a guard now get cancelled or call only at platform dispatch stops after DOO comes because the bodyside cameras and internal cab monitors malfunction, which they do with reasonable regularity. Even if they can be fixed...

You might actually find if you spoke to any of the members, that they don't think they can run the company better, or think that it's any union's job to do so. They just want their employer to be fair and not take them to court to overturn agreements that they freely entered into. Or be able to...

But what us drivers are being expected to put up with is, 12 cars worth of people refusing to stand away from the train, being distracted by their smartphones, blocking the view regardless of which means is employed to show us that view, no means of seeing what is going on as we leave, no drop...

It's not as simple as that. It was safer to introduce it at the time of introduction due to less than half the number of passengers travelling that's we have now. Aside from the issues of no one on the train to assist passengers or to deter anti social activity, which was always an issue...

I quite agree, it would be boring. But there is expressing an opinion and there is putting forward an idea that is then proven using facts to be wrong but continuing to persist with your erroneous suggestion. For example, after being told that sunlight in a dispatch camera cannot be solved by...

But you would say that, since just about every post you make is to attempt to wind up the railway staff on here, even when they have made their point legitimately from every possible angle, usually from a position of superior knowledge and understanding.