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Fair play. I love scot rail

So its ridiculous to have no contingency...... ill remind my boss of that when our business fails and we have no backup. To put it simply i would be sacked. Im answering your points but your trying to persuade me to agree with something i dont.

Just for clarity JON "I know nothing" Morris where did i ask you for drinks?? More mis interpretation? I said meet nothing about drinks. And that is your opinion if you think im way of the mark but you shouldnt preach about respect and debate when you clearly cant have. --- old post above ---...

My opinion is they are not fit for purpose. If they are to be refurbed then fine but they can be re distributed elsewhere. Network Rail are far from perfect granted but that does not exscuse the general failings from AGA who are miles from perfect. A valid point from DA about buses being...

Put your case forward then..... No point in being objective about my views on AGA. Im just highlighting how bad our service and trains are but you are welcome to put your views across.

Yes granted but there is no reason that the 317's can not begin to be replaced with the new franchise (thats what was meant by straight away) deal then once in service the current stock can be either scrapped or refurbed and re distributed. --- old post above --- --- new post below --- Yeah...

They are going to have to replace eventually no point in attempting to continually refurb. Why not straight away? If they want to refurb them then ROSCO can deal with them and re-distribute to other TOC's

My opinion is the 317's need to go they can not survive a refurb for another 15 years service as mentioned on here. They have been so far run into the ground that they are a disgrace. Let alone the timescales that would come with a complete refurb and the cost. Doesnt make sense. Only viable...

Clearly you are not open to discussion (none of the people on here) so you are only interested in your own views. SOme points you have made are valid but if you wont discuss then whats the point. We engage through different means and its not a personal vendetta against AGA as you keep going...

So we are nerds? Why are you on here then JON? --- old post above --- --- new post below --- Not to discuss the railways or for a healthy debate then?

We are going around in circles here How about meeting us and we will lay it out across the table and have a proper deebate about it like grown ups? I know Dave wouldnt because he is too busy changing his mind all the time.

Only you on time then..... what about the thousands who report delays daily? Hahaha so obviously you dont think so then, you keep paying and getting fleeced. Now your just being silly - you and your pals have been offered a chance to meet for a healthy debate but none of you want to. And...

8 hours a day on AGA sounds about right. Delayed alot were they? You cant try and pretend that you have not seen the state of those so called "trains" And 99% of the time it is AGA problems that cause carnage. We have proven day in and day out that they are liars

Oh Come on....... You say Ian has a personal Vendetta aginst AGA yet you wont listen to his opinions. You just dont like be proven wrong. Self obssessed the lot of you.

You lot are not interested in listening to anyone elses opinions. If your biased opinion is not accepted then thats it. Abuse from Ian?? Like what?? disagreeing with you?? hardly abuse is it??

If you love them that much put them in your garden. Changes your tune again from earlier Dave about how a new fleet would come. Contradicting yourself like always Why delete your Twitter account?

Agree need scrapping and they are skips....... Guys on Twitter are right if you want these wrecks take them for your lines

I dont call train fault after train fault reliable and clearly they have had no TLC. Wheres the multi million pound clean up that was supposed to happen because if anything its getting worse. Its just lip service to dig themselves out of a hole. GA first class is a non-starter its a...

Thats exactly it. The class 317';s are 30-34 years old and your on about refubing them for another 15 years? Do me a favour really. We need a new fleet not 50 year old wrecks carting us around and if that did ever happen we would have no fleet by that point given abellio's track record of...

It will never be put to bed until passengers know whats going on. The stock has been so far run into the ground there is no rescuing them. Scrap them and put a brand new fleet on the line. A few seat covers does not cover there appaling maintenance nor does painting luggage racks and handles.