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I haven't paid much attention to this thread, but the recent article in Rail magazine did make me think about HS2 spending, as in the title of this thread. Apologies if I've missed direct comment on this previously, but what are forum members' thoughts on these costs, as presented in the latest...

This is really about Covid rather than re-testing. But in any case as I've said above, the whole thing needs development. What it doesn't need is dismissing.

Not too much of a surprise sadly. People kept well away from trains and buses etc, but hordes still went all over the place in their cars. Still quieter than normal on the roads, but that brought about a widespread mentality of assumed freedom to speed on clearer roads with less enforcement of...

Ah I see, in that case I agree with your points entirely :D 1776314338 I think you'll find upthread that I've made quite a few suggestions. What I don't have is a complete and foolproof proposal. That is impossible expectation when there are many nay-sayers whose sole objective is to find...

Your second comment I completely agree with. Your first comment I don't - I've never known of a genuine war on the motorist, it's only a scaremongering story put out by petrol headed journalists. Unless you know different?

So would you suggest mandatory CPD for drivers rather than re-tests? After all we are talking of a qualification which leads to many deaths and hundreds of serious injuries every week. I'm being serious, this discussion isn't about who is right and wrong, it's about finding a useful way...

To all you doubters about repeat driving tests, think about the next time you need a hospital operation. Your surgeon passed his exams 30 years ago and has had no-one re-testing him since then. You've heard many reports casting doubt on his capabilities, but you're due for him to perform an...

£200 seems to be about the amount that most people have purely as an increase on their Council Tax. Every single year. Are you forgetting that enforcement against bad driving is a major part of this too?

It isn't £200 every year, it's once every 10 years, ie £20 per year. That's less than a meal for two isn't it? Or a round of drinks? Just for an interruption in people's lives once every ten years in the name of road safety. Why not schedule it early in the tenth year to avoid these risks? And...

Job creation - quite a lot of it, and paid for by the re-test fee. As I've said upthread, a couple of £hundred for a re-test is pretty small beer compared to most other costs of running cars. Especially when many people pay £thousands for features well above what they actually need, just because...

Yes it's certainly about culture, but it's also about training because that all helps it to become embedded into the culture. Examples include that drink-driving is now widely seen as anti-social. Of course the increased cultural acceptance of this in the last couple of decades doesn't stop...

You speak of your personal attitude, which is the same as many others and I don't dispute it. I'm no different in that being fined for doing 34mph in a 30 limit does absolutely nothing to make me stick rigidly to 30mph in future, it just makes me more aware of the possible presence of speed...

I'm glad I got you to focus on this, my apologies for putting you into defensive mode, and yes I do see your point about re-tests not being guaranteed to eliminate these "momentary lapses of concentration". Of course these moments will never be entirely eliminated, but they could and should be...

Checkpoints financed by the fines taken. Those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear. Or we just keep killing people on the roads. Okay, no guarantee that it works, but why not try it? Or do a good many of us actually quite like living a less law abiding country? No one wants a big...

Are the unlicensed really so prevalent on our roads that removing them would make a huge difference to the numbers of deaths and injuries? If so, then that would suggest that there is something seriously wrong with our policing and legal system altogether, if we can't get this more under...

I'm not all that inclined to continue to reiterate my points as I have a busy few days ahead. I disagree with much of your counter arguments, but I also recognise that I'm in the minority - for the time being anyway. Have a good weekend 8-)

Therein lies the fundamental difference between the UK and (some) other countries. The UK culture is to oppose things which have a tiny chance of causing personal inconvenience, even if there are huge benefits to be gained for many others. Japanese culture (for example) is to see things in the...

Ah, so you're suggesting that huge numbers of deaths and injuries are acceptable because tackling it is tricky. I would suggest that huge numbers of additional people are trained to become instructors and examiners, at the cost of drivers. People pay many £thousands for cars with capabilities...

Interesting summary, much of which I agree with, although your very last sentence surprised me. I would suggest that you could stand at more or less any traffic light junction in most medium to large towns and cities, wait for the green lights to finish, and then see how many skip the lights...

I hear what you say, but perhaps I'm not explaining my suggestion well enough so I'll have another go, since I'm awake at this early hour! If, or rather when, many people are "travelling at relatively high speed in close proximity to each other" then that is exactly the problem that needs...