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Train drivers at ATW are on nowhere near 50k!! As for 'rocket science', only 'rocket science' is.... Well... Rocket science. Ultimately many of these senior managers get double or more what a train driver does, and 3x what I earn. They may have 'responsibility' for budgets etc but if they...

I think that suggesting someone who drives a train, after all the training, rules, standards etc, who has the lives of anything up to 300 people behind them, does a 'hohum' job (I am assuming this means 'unimportant/humdrum/easy'?) is just plain ignorant. I am all for 'each to their own' on...

It just shows the standard of some of the management we are trying to negotiate with doesn't it. What an idiot.

Well said. Most staff wish there was one union too. From what I see the ASLEF and RMT reps get on very well and share views etc., it seems to be the high ups who don't get on.

I don't look at (for example) Valleys guards with any disrespect - they work the jobs they are given the same as we do. The situation is that we have lots of long distance travellers on Sundays and I am not sure there is the same demand for trains on the Valleys on a Sunday. In the North of...

I'm not going to argue with you CS, as you are entitled to your opinion. I would however suggest most rail users complain about the under investment in railways - the old rolling stock and insufficient number of seats? I won't talk for drivers but as a guard yes I earn £24k a year plus...

Yes this is the point Greenback. Also some depots (eg Cardiff Valleys) have only 1 in 8 Sundays and others such as Chester have more than 1 in 3. If I was Valleys I'd probably accept the deal but at Chester I wouldn't. So it's not a simple thing that someone from outside can make an informed...

Good morning. I've just stumbled upon this forum and registered primarily to join in this debate, but I am sure I will be an active participant on the forum. I am an ATW guard/conductor. We are in the same boat as drivers but RMT have elected to hold branch meetings to gather views and I...