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  1. tbwbear

    Was Woodhead electrification a white elephant?

    Not wishing to be too pedantic, but weren't there some sections of 70mph in the EM2 days ? Not that that would have made much difference to the overall timings. I dont think they altered at all in the last few years when they only had EM1.
  2. tbwbear

    Was Woodhead electrification a white elephant?

    IIRC the two 1500v DC schemes were never linked. The MSW 1500v dc gantries were only for the old GCR platforms. The LNWR platforms were not wired until 1960. In 1960 the 1500v Altrincham line was cut back to Oxford Road - and the Piccadilly to Oxford Road section was rewired at 25kv. The...
  3. tbwbear

    1923 nationalisation

    Possibly. Although there was certainly some standardisation in Germany in the 20s and 30s that could also have benefited BR(1923). Although it is true that the question probably does depend on the BTC issue: would it have been just the railways or all transport - mentioned by Dr Hoo above...
  4. tbwbear

    Was Woodhead electrification a white elephant?

    The MSW (Woodhead) scheme was finally completed in 1954 and the decision that all future overhead electrification would be at 25kv AC was made in 1955, I think, so one year is correct. That said, there is nothing to say that there couldn't have been logical extensions made to the orginal scheme...
  5. tbwbear

    1923 nationalisation

    An excellent question, but one that is very difficult to answer. You can look to other countries (certainly Germany) where nationalisation happened for clues, certainly there could have been a lot more cost saving and standardisation earlier. Reduction of some duplicate lines can probably be...
  6. tbwbear

    Was Woodhead electrification a white elephant?

    I think just Guide Bridge and Hadfield (maybe more ?) would have been retained as stops on the Manchester to Sheffield service.
  7. tbwbear

    Was Woodhead electrification a white elephant?

    None. And you can certainly argue that Woodhead WAS modernised mainly for freight. Don't forget that the Wath branch was only ever a freight railway and that was a vital part of the scheme. Even in the early 60s freight was generating much more revenue than passenger services and Woodhead was...
  8. tbwbear

    Was Woodhead electrification a white elephant?

    I think it was a bit of both wasn't it? I am sure if there had been an easy way to route the passenger service into Midland, they would have kept it. By the mid 1960s after Nunnery Curve opened Victoria was left with only the Manchester trains: a pretty isolated service. But certainly, they...
  9. tbwbear

    1955 electric working

    Was steam allowed in the new Thurgoland Tunnel ( between Sheffield and Penistone) after electric working began ? I know they let steam work through in the interim before the scheme was completed.
  10. tbwbear

    Drinking alcohol on a station platform - is it permitted?

    Exactly - it is not the act of drinking alcohol itself that is the issue, it is the behaviour that can sometimes come with it. We shouldn’t be trying to ban anything unless it causes harm to others. The issue is then, of course, to define that concept of harm and probably separate it from...
  11. tbwbear

    Drinking alcohol on a station platform - is it permitted?

    Exactly that. And the main “problem” is really how to ensure these people are better trained so that they can do whatever job it is they are actually there to do.
  12. tbwbear

    What would have happened if DP2 had not crashed?

    No. Back in 1967 DP2 belonged to EE and its "sister" prototype "Falcon" belonged to Brush. BR got Falcon in 1970 and it became the sole member of Class 53. Could /Would DP2 have been 51, 54 etc.. ? BTW - Interesting answers so far !
  13. tbwbear

    Drinking alcohol on a station platform - is it permitted?

    Exactly - which is why in the OP's situation now, I wouldn't leave it until next time - I would probably be writing a letter to Northern Rail to complain about what really amounts to a form of bullying. At the very least the guy is confused and ill informed. I would have a lot of confidence...
  14. tbwbear

    Drinking alcohol on a station platform - is it permitted?

    Not picking a fight here :) - genuinely interested.... But how can complying with a totally unreasonable request and just taking it up later be sensible ? If I refuse to stop drinking, refuse to take off my red sweater, or refuse cover to up my religious insignia - just because someone "in...
  15. tbwbear

    Drinking alcohol on a station platform - is it permitted?

    But surely that means that an "authorised member of railway staff" (what does that mean ?) can ask you to leave the railway for any reason he/she likes... Surely that cannot be ? Example - There are no Byelaws against drinking and there are no Byelaws against wearing red sweaters. So...
  16. tbwbear

    Long tunnels with no ventilation shafts/vice versa

    According to the Forgotten Relics website - For Woodhead (3) "The engineer’s plan for three construction shafts was changed in favour of the contractor’s proposal for just one - 16 feet in diameter and located 2,610 yards from the Woodhead end, about 60 yards west of the midpoint." There is...
  17. tbwbear

    Drinking alcohol on a station platform - is it permitted?

    From the NR website - Certain parts of the railway, including stations, underpasses and level crossings, are open to the public. But when people go onto the tracks, embankments or other areas, they are trespassing.
  18. tbwbear

    Drinking alcohol on a station platform - is it permitted?

    I would have thought that the fact they ask themselves the question about trains and stations - and then they later claim that the intoxication exception applies to trains and stations, pretty much proves it is allowed at stations as well. Unless it is specifically prohibited it is allowed...
  19. tbwbear

    What would have happened if DP2 had not crashed?

    As we know, DP2 was involved in the Thirsk crash in 1967 and written off, with the power unit being used for a class 50. But consider two scenarios, the crash never happened or a Deltic was involved instead, what would have happened ? Would DP2 have been retained in a similar way as Falcon...
  20. tbwbear

    Future of frecciabianca trains

    I took one of those "Frecciargento" Fyra services from Modena to Milano early last year. I was quite impressed to be honest. It had originated in Ancona and I think it ran in the timings of the former "Frecciabianca" train between Modena and Milano and used the classic line. Is the plan to...

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