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Erm, SWT never ran the Gatwick Express franchise! National express held the franchise until it was merged with the south central franchise (currently operated by Southern/ Govia). And the class 460 were built specifically for GE and thus were never with SWT! You may be thinking of the 458s...

Given the emphasis put on the 180s, does this mean those new Polaris (is that right?) trains from China are off the agenda, or are they likely to still seek a replacement for the HSTs at some point in the future? And are the HSTs going to be exclusive to the Sunderland route, or might there...

Thanks GNERman! I'm aware that it's all to FGW specification, thus my complaint at First's purple and green colour choice, but I was wondering if First just regularly cleaned the units to a really high standard while FGW used them or if Grand Central have gone above and beyond in deep cleaning...

Is this thanks to how First maintained them or thanks to the "refurbishment" process? First Class looks brilliant though the patterns on the standard class seats make you want to vomit - why does First insist on combining purple and green? :oops: Out of interest are they going to refurbish...

Bosch are the seats going to be re-covered and the carpets replaced?

Hi all I'm new (but been viewing for a while) Does anyone know when the first 180 is due to be out of refurbishment for First Hull Trains and how extensively they will of been refurbished (will they put new seats in etc.? Also has Grand Central (and soon Grand Northern/ Union) officially...