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They're the same as the ones being used in the Class 80x. Not tried them personally, but they don't look too bad. Preferable to a cramped Voyager seat at least! They seem to be an evolution of the Class 395 seat, which I found to be quite comfortable when I last travelled on one.
Sitting airline is much more preferable to having foot space battles with the person opposite if you ask me. On the GWR HSTs there is so much legroom i find that they never really feel that claustrophobic. Especially not compared to a Pendolino or Voyager.
FGW HST seats. I've been on most rolling stock old and new across the UK and none of them are as comfy as those. Very roomy and plenty of legroom. Also really like the drop down tables.
HSTs are better trains...
More spacious saloons
Wider seat pitch
More legroom
More carriages
Quieter
Don't have vibrating panels
Don't smell of sewage
To be fair the 180 has most of these advantages over a Voyager too, so its really down to Voyagers being poorly designed rather than...
The 175/180s by far, most comfortable diesel multiple unit stock in the UK. Followed by the 158/159 then 185.
The Chiltern 168s have those questionable 'forward leaning' seats that sometimes irritate me. But they're different to the LM/XC 170s which have comfier seats but less legroom.
Used to love IC70s growing up, but they've had their day. They're comfy until I'm forced to sit up on a busy train... Then the low back is evident. Much prefer the current seats on GWR HSTs as they provide increased legroom as well as a higher back...and I can still slouch in them!
Look...
On one for the first time now, been on for 30 min and it's not uncomfortable! Expected worse, they're fine for a commuter train and much better than the 450s on SWT. Wouldn't choose one all the way to Brighton over a 2+2 seated part of a 377, but for commuting they do the job fine! The first...
I'd happily do it on a 175/180 if it were possible, but never by Voyager. Fact is Voyagers were poorly designed and they are not suitable for that kind of journey. The 175/180s whilst still DMUs, are at least comfortable and quiet enough to endure the journey. Even a Mk1/Mk2 hauled train would...
From alot of experience, best are the 175/180 units. Plus marks for being the most comfortable too, far superior to Voyagers and would happily sit on one all the way from Aberdeen - Penzance!
Worst has to be a pacer or a 150.
Hillingdon is definitely easier from Birmingham. Decent car park and right off the A40, which is really at that point just the suburban part of the M40. I always direct people that way and it works well. Frequent Met service into Baker Street, quicker still if lucky enough to be able to switch...
1) XC to get add-on order of Class 800/802s to replace all Voyager and HST services. Voyagers cascaded to Cardiff - Nottingham and longer distance ATW and GWR regional services, freeing up 170s and 158s to provide extra capacity elsewhere.
2) Mk4 stock & DVTs from the 225s to supplement 68s...
How far are Malvern Link, Great Malvern and Colwall apart? Not far at all I don't think, I reckon a contender there for shortest distance possible on 125mph stock with 1 intermediate stop?
Surprised an HST has never ventured down there, cant be just due to short platforms? If on a railtour couldn't it just run in place of a passenger service from St Erth, but allow the general public to travel like they do on preserved line tours?
Very smart looking inside and out! I think these will go down very well with the commuters (those not using Crossrail at least), seeing as they have more tables and are generally more roomy and quieter than the 16x units. Actually gutted I don't live on that stretch of the GWML anymore, exciting...
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