YamYamDave
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Some useful draft policies for the Railways Bill released last week. The Long Term Strategy for Rail being particularly interesting:
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The Railways Bill - discussion about the legislation that will create Great British Railways
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StephenHunter
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Good luck with fleet standardisation - BR never exactly achieved it the first time!Some useful draft policies for the Railways Bill released last week. The Long Term Strategy for Rail being particularly interesting:
Snow1964
Established Member
A batch of new papers have been uploaded 9th October
(not looked at them yet)
Fares - House of Lords Factsheet
fair and Open Retail market
There is also summary page with lots of other Railways Bill factsheets (but I think they are not new)
(not looked at them yet)
Fares - House of Lords Factsheet
fair and Open Retail market
There is also summary page with lots of other Railways Bill factsheets (but I think they are not new)
Notable that they are supposedly going to be making sale fares available to all retailers:
Let's see if that actually happens. Experience shows us that the TOCs are very keen to limit things to their own platform.
The section on fares "reform" contains the usual made-up arguments, for example:
And it gives us a very clear indication of the increased fares and reduced flexibility we can look forward to:
Let's see if that actually happens. Experience shows us that the TOCs are very keen to limit things to their own platform.
The section on fares "reform" contains the usual made-up arguments, for example:
(Fares regulation limits increases, not reductions. So this is only an issue if they want to increase return fares in order to tackle this sort of "anomaly"!)
And it gives us a very clear indication of the increased fares and reduced flexibility we can look forward to:
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I'm very much reading that as the government being in favour of further abolitions of Off-Peak fares
On the other hand, perhaps it is to stop operators such as Avanti carrying loads of empty space until off peak kicks in?Notable that they are supposedly going to be making sale fares available to all retailers:
Let's see if that actually happens. Experience shows us that the TOCs are very keen to limit things to their own platform.
The section on fares "reform" contains the usual made-up arguments, for example:
(Fares regulation limits increases, not reductions. So this is only an issue if they want to increase return fares in order to tackle this sort of "anomaly"!)
And it gives us a very clear indication of the increased fares and reduced flexibility we can look forward to:
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I'm very much reading that as the government being in favour of further abolitions of Off-Peak fares
StephenHunter
Established Member
Avanti ceases to exist soon.
OK. In clarification of the point.
GBR will not price in a way so that trains run in peak hours with loads of empty space (as operators such as Avanti currently do).
There's nothing to stop them from reducing the ridiculous Anytime fares which do the very opposite of reducing overcrowding. Of course they're not going to do so because it would reduce their opportunity to cash in on time sensitive commuters and business travellers.
That’s quite a bold statement. Do you have a source for that change in approach?
GBR will almost certainly be under the same government funding constraints as the operators are today. Maximising revenue versus expenditure will be the name of the game. A few passengers willing to pay peak fares can be more lucrative than a trainload on cheap off peaks.
It is just my take on what the statement:
They are also needed to move away from fares based on traditional peak times on long-distance routes that do not reflect actual demand patterns
could mean.
KNN
Member
In fairness, Avanti have already started this approach by dropping peak on a Friday.
I think the more likely route is to look at what LNER have been doing (who have been nationalised for 8 years now), and extrapolate that across the network.