D1537
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That's what I thought ... there were rumours it was 61306, which I *would* make the effort to go and photograph.
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Apparently Scots Guardsman is on the tour tomorrow? Anyone able to confirm?
Isle of Mull
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Are you sure? Has the conflict finally ended?
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Been sent a picture of it in steam today from a friend...
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Isle of Mull
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That puts an end to that, the first mk1 set since 2023?
Sidmouth34010
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however then why has that not been deployed to ease the demands on 34067 and 44871/45407 ......
Is that allowed on the mainline? It happens on preserved railways but I don't recall it happening on the mainline before?
D1537
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That would get very messy at Whitby unless you had a translator diesel *and* one on the back
Absolutely. Just saying that theres no operational reason for not running a VB kettle.
The other downside, of course, is ingestion of kettle crap by the diesel but it hasn’t stopped others.
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Good question. Can’t think of an obvious reason not to.
It’s rare outside of failure conditions but I have seen it (long time ago!) on drags, but the other way around with an AO pilot, DB train engine and VB stock.
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D1537
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Rail Advent is reporting that the tour is 46115 with CDL MkIs...
Two diesel locos in the consist as well, and for the parts which are diesel hauled, two locomotives on the rear.
(I note that this does now explain how the train works out of Holgate sidings after the York break.)
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Interesting. Presumably allowed when one or both are manned*?
(*As I understand it other than single dead locos, only a pair of 20s or 2x73s can be conveyed dead in rear? But I’ve no idea why that is so.)
neil65
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Quoted on Nat Pres as 46115 rake of CDL Mk1’s and 47802
Iskra
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I’ve heard that before, but I think it might be a myth or have been superseded. I’ve seen multiple locomotives of classes other than 20 and 73 on the rear of multiple railtours over the years.
Above is a Black 5 at Dent with 2 47’s on the back.
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It’s definitely Scots Guardsman on Mk1’s, just seen it at Leeds, TikTok video below:
It’s nice to see something different out from West Coast, and the Mk1’s are also looking smart!
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HertiageFan
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That’s great
neil65
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46115 Scots Guardsman and support coach head to the MRM for servicing
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The rumours started on Thursday that today's Esk Valley rail tour was to be a bit different from the normal Tangmere and coffins!!
And for once the rumours were true!!
46115 Scots Guardsman hauling a full rake of CDL fitted Mk 1 coaches, it's been a long time coming and thank you WCRC for carrying out this conversion.
railway-photography.smugmug.com
There are photos of all the Mk 1 coaches starting here with
99122 Alexandra
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Anyway
I set off early to be at York for the approx 8am arrival, only to find a handful of people waiting for it to arrive, but running about 10 minutes late
46115 Scots Guardsman arrived in P11 at York
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After servicing at the NRM 46115 backs down into P11 to join the stock
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and finally gets away with a lot of slipping for Whitby
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In Between 46115 arriving and leaving the Highland Blue Pullman HST arrived and departed for Scotland with
43059 Loch Shiel T'n'T 43050 Loch Morar with the Blue Pullman HST
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Also seen was one of the reinstated GBRf class 60's
60085 Snowdon approaching York with 6H12 0624 Tyne Coal Terminal Gbrf to Drax Aes (Gbrf)
railway-photography.smugmug.com
Neil
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railway photographs from the last 100 years
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The rumours started on Thursday that today's Esk Valley rail tour was to be a bit different from the normal Tangmere and coffins!!
And for once the rumours were true!!
46115 Scots Guardsman hauling a full rake of CDL fitted Mk 1 coaches, it's been a long time coming and thank you WCRC for carrying out this conversion.
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
99122 Alexandra
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
I set off early to be at York for the approx 8am arrival, only to find a handful of people waiting for it to arrive, but running about 10 minutes late
46115 Scots Guardsman arrived in P11 at York
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
After servicing at the NRM 46115 backs down into P11 to join the stock
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
and finally gets away with a lot of slipping for Whitby
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
In Between 46115 arriving and leaving the Highland Blue Pullman HST arrived and departed for Scotland with
43059 Loch Shiel T'n'T 43050 Loch Morar with the Blue Pullman HST
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
Also seen was one of the reinstated GBRf class 60's
60085 Snowdon approaching York with 6H12 0624 Tyne Coal Terminal Gbrf to Drax Aes (Gbrf)
46115 Scots Guardsman The Esk Valley rail tour First appearance of full rake of WCRC CDL fitted Mk 1's at York. Plus Huddersfield station rebuild update - Railway-Photography
railway photographs from the last 100 years
railway-photography.smugmug.com
Neil
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Iskra
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My full video from today:
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Note from the video that only one door per Mk1 vehicle seems to have been CDL fitted. Other doors are presumably locked shut. Assume this meets emergency evacuation requirements?
There's indicator lights at both ends of the First Opens (six vehicles) and at one end of the RMB. So all of their end doors will be fitted, with the centre doors locked out as previously. Just a single emergency release fitted per side (diagonally opposite, on the left end of the vehicle)
Very much the same as a lot of other ex-BR stock and the LSL Mk1s. I’d hazard a guess that the CDL has been harvested from the Mk2s which headed up to Carnforth earlier in the year.
It isn't the same design fitted to the Mark 2s, as the lock is not applied as a dropping bolt at the top of the door, but as a sideways bolt in the lower panel. Perhaps some parts in the control apparatus are consistent.
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Well, certainly some of the components (eg the emergency door release switches) at the very least, otherwise good luck finding a manufacturer for those. I know that another tour operator has re-used components from Mk3s on its Mk1s.
Yes, absolutely, the LSL CDL variant looks very much like transplanted Mark 3 equipment.
These are quick pictures of the CDL stuff in a WCR vehicle. The door lock itself must be new equipment.
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andyjhatton
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Interestingly not the same as VT.
It does appear to be a newer system that’s for sure, different to the system fitted to the HDL or LSL fleets too. And considerably different to the Maglock’s on the LUL TC and Swanage 117.
co-tr-paul
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Looking at RTC Winter Cumbrian Mountains for next year , anyone know if this ( mk1 ) will be the contracted set and is LMS 44851 compatible please ?
If you mean 48151, it did a private charter with some MK1s a few weeks ago.
One assumes if West Coast have gone to the expense of CDL fitting their MK1s, then this will be compatible with all their steam fleet. Otherwise they don't gain much.
One assumes if West Coast have gone to the expense of CDL fitting their MK1s, then this will be compatible with all their steam fleet. Otherwise they don't gain much.
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Now that West Coast have a vac braked mk1 set that's CDL compliant, that will mean that of their fleet they will have more engines available to them, i can think of without including Tangmere, 46115, 45110, 48151 one of the Jubilees, and the other black 5, the number of which escapes me,
Alot depends on how swiftly they can fit out a second rake, and of course where the CDL is acquired from, I'm half expecting many or the mk2's the air cons, to be stripped for their locking systems. Or sold on,
Alot depends on how swiftly they can fit out a second rake, and of course where the CDL is acquired from, I'm half expecting many or the mk2's the air cons, to be stripped for their locking systems. Or sold on,
Scotrail344Lad
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Paths up for the Jacobite coming south 25/10/26