Northerngirl
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Maybe im just unlucky, but ive had a couple of grumpy drivers on the 310
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Liverpool City Region-Bus Franchising
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Apols if I've missed something, but why would Halton, which is part of the LCR, stay outside the franchising scheme? Related to that, why replace the well-known Merseytravel brand with the meaningless "Metro"? I have relatives on the 82/82A route at Cressington who might be bending my ear as someone who knows about buses!
Statto
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Because Halton don't contribute any funding to Merseytravel, why they are staying outside franchising, it's why Merseytravel products are not valid in the Halton area either, even though Halton is in LCR.
Thanks. I didn't know that. So effectively it's just a Merseyside scheme. The timetable suggests 82A is run from the Runcorn end so it will remain commercial, but 82 will be franchised. I hope the ticketing can be sorted out.
TheSel
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... except the 'MyTicket' product for 5-18 year olds, which is valid in Halton.
Link here.
MyTicket
The one-day bus ticket for young people (aged 5 - 18) which can be used on any bus in Merseyside and Halton. Hop on and off as often as you want.Where can I use it?
MyTicket is a bus ticket for young people aged 18 and under. You can use MyTicket on any participating bus operator’s services within Merseyside and Halton.
Tetchytyke
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Because, whilst they are part of the LCR, they are not part of Merseytravel.
One reason is that people get in a complete muddle in the difference between Merseyrail and Merseytravel.
markymark2000
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I'm not entirely sure it's particularly wise to admit to and justify your fare evasion in this way. Just because you did it, and a driver didn't pull you up about it, it doesn't make it right. What you did was no different at all to short faring on the railways and defrauding the railway is very much looked down upon. With buses under franchising, they still need to cover the cost of operations through farebox or subsidy, and every penny not met from the farebox, will come in the form of higher taxation or reduced services.
With that in mind, I find it baffling how you are so happy to almost boast about your fare evasion......
dvfmlfc
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Merseytravel have been in ongoing discussions with Halton Borough Council to compensate them for taking over responsibility for the borough's transport needs for a few years now - a major issue is the travel pass that the rest of the LCR get at 60 - this currently doesn't apply to Halton, and the financial burden this would create for resident through a precept on their Council Tax is something Halton Council is resisting to adhere to. However, all the borough's bus stops are in Merseytravel's corporate style
No pain, no gain!
childwallblues
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Do we know wich franche they are for?www.facebook.com
At least 207 buses ordered by the LCRCA from ADL, including E400's, E200MMC's and E100EV's....
gka472l
Member
Likely the Liverpool/Sefton tranches next year, I believe Wrightbus has orders for those as well.....
aswilliamsuk
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Indeed, according to Route One:
Liverpool set for franchising launch with new UK-made bus fleet
As Liverpool City Region prepares to launch its franchised bus network on 6 September, the authority has confirmed it will be served by at least 668 new UK-made buses.
www.route-one.net
317 forever
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I meant Green Lane being in the franchising area, but Runcorn not being included there.
frodshamfella
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Its seems a ridiculous situation why they are out of Merseytravel, Halton borders , Knowsley, Liverpool, St Helens, all part of the scheme.
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Would it have been a good idea to bring the 'Merseybus' name back ? Its obviously means about ' buses ' and a bit more specific to the region than just ' metro ' which to me is rather bland, and could be anywhere.
TheGrandWazoo
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Perhaps that "blandness" can be viewed as versatility? That and some places (like Southport and more well heeled places, or places like St Helens or Newton le Willows) don't like being reminded of being part of Merseyside
Polarbear
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I think one reason for using the “Metro” branding is the longer term aim to further integrate public transport across the Liverpool City Region.
danbarjon
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It will be interesting to see what their approach is to the 375 and 385 when it’s Seftons turn for franchising.
MCRTransitYT
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Dont quote me on this, but there might be a chance of Arriva reopening a depot in Skelmersdale. Ill try figure out where he found it from..
It's been mentioned elsewhere that Arriva still actually own the former North Western depot in Skelmersdale.
JasonL
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It looks like Arriva will have to open a depot there then for the 375/385 and any other local ones Arriva currently do in Skelmersdale.
darylyates17
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Could be a chance for Arriva to look into running services in Lancashire if they are considering reopening the Skelmersdale depot.
JasonL
Member
Possibly but I don't think Preston bus would want to lose routes in or around Skelmersdale
MCRTransitYT
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Preston Bus only have the 319 in Skelmersdale (Concourse anyway) and they don't know the routes... theyve been off the route about 5+ times, theyve been to Eccles twice because of a shortage of drivers, im sure it would be better for Arriva to take it over when the contract goes up again
Everywhere else in LCR is also in Merseyside so have long paid into the system. Halton sits in Cheshire and because of that, obviously didn't. And the financial costs of joining are currently unaffordable. For more info, see this article.
johncrossley
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Merseytravel have also lovingly confirmed on X that they are continuing to push hard on the numpty county borders for ticketing. Despite the buses being part of the Metro network, Solo and other Merseytravel products (MyTicket excluded) will will not be valid over the county borders INCLUDING Merseyside to Merseyside journeys which cross the border then crosses back (ie the X3 and 37/X37).
So much for progress and bringing things into public control.
Merseytravel (@Merseytravel) on X
@RMC_TptPlanning Hello, standard Merseytravel Metro tickets (like Solo) and LCR concessionary passes are only valid within the Merseyside boundary, and if your journey crosses into Halton or West Lancashire, you must pay an extra fare for the portion outside of Merseyside.X3 (crossing intox.com
Merseytravel (@Merseytravel) on X
@RMC_TptPlanning Hello, Yes, that’s correct. A standard Merseytravel Metro ticket would not be valid for the entire X3 journey from St Helens to LJLA because the route crosses into Halton. The ticket would cover the Merseyside section, but an additional fare would be required for the section
Looks like incorrect information was given out on X. According to the Merseytravel website, Solo etc. are valid on franchised buses on the whole route.
Merseytravel | Bus Changes
It’s the start of a new era for buses in the Liverpool City Region. Bringing the whole network under public control is a major change that will happen in stages, starting in St Helens.
www.merseytravel.gov.uk
It's probably more that many places in LCR are nowhere near the side of the Mersey, whilst other places miles away (e.g. Sale, Stockport) are.Perhaps that "blandness" can be viewed as versatility? That and some places (like Southport and more well heeled places, or places like St Helens or Newton le Willows) don't like being reminded of being part of Merseyside
It closed in 2011 and accordingly to Google now houses
danbarjon
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We can pray as I will love the day that PrestonBus are gone out of Skem, I’ve had one experience where a driver was telling me how much he hated coming down to Skem because he had to come all the way from Preston. Obviously now for the time being 319s are at Boltons depot.
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Also in some other good news the buses have started arriving at Jackson Street! The yellow takeover begins…