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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

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Just thinking, it’s been a while since I’ve had a proper look at where all the 810s are and in what state they’re in, I’ve been seeing plenty a schedule made for a move from Merchant Park -> Long Marston, however not much into Etches, and also not really been keeping tabs on how many of these services have ran and what unit has ran them. Does anyone have an up-to-date list of where all the units are and in what state they’re in?
30th July - 810020 Merchant Park to Long Marston.

10th August - 810017 Merchant Park to Long Marston.

19th August - 810003/004 Old Dalby to Merchant Park.

27th August - 810019 Old Dalby to Etches Park.

As far as I'm aware all the other paths that were scheduled for Merchant Park to Etches Park never ran.

810021, 023, 024, 025, 027 and 028 have all been sighted at Aycliffe and have not yet left.
 
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30th July - 810020 Merchant Park to Long Marston.

10th August - 810017 Merchant Park to Long Marston.

19th August - 810003/004 Old Dalby to Merchant Park.

27th August - 810019 Old Dalby to Etches Park.

As far as I'm aware all the other paths that were scheduled for Merchant Park to Etches Park never ran.

810021, 023, 024, 025, 027 and 028 have all been sighted at Aycliffe and have not yet left.
Presume 810003+004 are "empty" and will need interiors installed and all the latest software uploaded before they leave Merchant Park ?

Where did the Elstow victim get moved to ?

Thanks for the update
 

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Presume 810003+004 are "empty" and will need interiors installed and all the latest software uploaded before they leave Merchant Park ?

Where did the Elstow victim get moved to ?

Thanks for the update
Both have interiors fitted.
 

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Just thinking, it’s been a while since I’ve had a proper look at where all the 810s are and in what state they’re in, I’ve been seeing plenty a schedule made for a move from Merchant Park -> Long Marston, however not much into Etches, and also not really been keeping tabs on how many of these services have ran and what unit has ran them. Does anyone have an up-to-date list of where all the units are and in what state they’re in?
001 - Merchant Park
002 - Unknown (rebuild?)
003 - Merchant Park (recently arrived from Old Dalby)
004 - Merchant Park (recently arrived from Old Dalby)
005 - Merchant Park
006 - In service
007 - Merchant Park
008 - Crew Training Unit
009 - Crew Training Unit
010 - Passenger Service
011 - Passenger Service
012 - Passenger Service
013 - Passenger Service
014 - Passenger Service
015 - With the RAIB
016 - Passenger Service
017 - Long Marston
018 - Passenger Service
019 - Passenger Service (recently had work done at Old Dalby)
020 - Long Marston
021 - Merchant Park
022 - Passenger Service
023 onwards - Merchant Park

Nothing has arrived at Etches Park since 022 on 18/06/26
 

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Wasn’t 810002 the one with bad welding which was returned to Italy (Pistoia) for assessment?
No, it was sent to Italy as part of the testing programme (climate testing) and then disappeared.
Many rumours from several sources saying it has been scrapped and a new unit being built.
 

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810018 has an issue with its brakes, which caused it to block the Down Fast for a period of time.

Once it was able to get moving again, it was signalled over to the Down Slow, for it to be looked at further whilst platformed at Kettering.

However, it has now failed once again with its brake issues and has not even managed to reach Kettering.
 
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Having a look at Real Time Trains for today, in addition to the above, it also seems that 810 010 failed at Chesterfield on 1C20 0732 Sheffield to St Pancras and 810 006 at Leicester on 1D96 2005 St Pancras to Nottingham Service. Is anyone able to verify? If so not a great day for the 810s.
 

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Just thinking, it’s been a while since I’ve had a proper look at where all the 810s are and in what state they’re in, I’ve been seeing plenty a schedule made for a move from Merchant Park -> Long Marston, however not much into Etches, and also not really been keeping tabs on how many of these services have ran and what unit has ran them. Does anyone have an up-to-date list of where all the units are and in what state they’re in?
This May not be fully up to date regarding the status of 23 onwards but should be close

Edit: I'm aware 3/4 in the list have the wrong Text
 

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I've finally had a look at the Roger Ford article in current Modern Railways (online it's linked below, I did not find it to be paywalled).

I was depressed by the delivery comparison with the Avanti 805 order and the in-service comparisons with - in particular - TPE and Hull Trains.

What I hadn't seen before (perhaps I wasn't looking hard enough) was RMT's instruction on the failures that lead to their members refusing to work the trains, which are (1) galley >29.4C (2) Any HVAC malfunction, (3) <2 toilets operational, or the 1st class UA toilet is in-operational, (4) Any external door or cab door faults or (5) the fire reset cabinet is inaccessible.
There is also a mention of AWS failures, which appears to have been the initial event that ultimately led to the collision at Elstow.

His article also sets out the very many technical differences between the 810 and 80x. The conclusion I drew is that Hitachi set the project up to fail by multiplying risk - firstly risk by changing what they were building (technical design, components, manufacturing techniques) and then disrupting how they were building it (design work, design authority/governance/assurance and manufacturing responsibilities). i.e. it's strategic failure at Hitachi Rail board level that's got us here, not some instances of poor design or shoddy welding.

He ends on a downbeat note. Whilst there is probably still the option to cancel the order and return delivered trains but this would obviously sink EMR and/or see Scotrail/Holyrood go ballistic. And assuming they do enter service, he has set my expectation that reliability will be closer to what GWR continue to experience than what TPE/Hull Trains are managing.

https://www.modernrailways.com/article/informed-sources-aurora-centre-emrs-perfect-storm
■ Rolling stock shortage forces truncated timetable

■ EMR lays blame on Hitachi

■ Multiple faults challenge rectification

■ 10 trains available seven years after order

■ Meridian reliability collapses
 

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And assuming they do enter service, he has set my expectation that reliability will be closer to what GWR continue to experience than what TPE/Hull Trains are managing.
Or perhaps closer to what GWR experienced when they ran class 180s.

I think this fleet will become this eras 180s. Trains that were unreliable from the start and will always be a problem.

I can see the MML eventually being fully electrified and the 810s being replaced in 20 years, certainly well before their intended design life.
 

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He ends on a downbeat note. Whilst there is probably still the option to cancel the order and return delivered trains but this would obviously sink EMR and/or see Scotrail/Holyrood go ballistic. And assuming they do enter service, he has set my expectation that reliability will be closer to what GWR continue to experience than
Thanks very much for the link. I'd argue your last sentence to be honest.
The first GWR class 800 entered service in October 2017 practically nine years ago, and whilst they do seem to perform their daily role, how many of the fleet have been to Eastleigh works to have their welds repaired ?

I would like to have been reassured that Hitachi Rail had learnt an awful lot of lessons from the Agility West and Agility East experience, to improve their "next gen" rolling stock for the UK. However, I sense they are cursed with the Ansaldo Breda reputation.

The fact that EMR have accepted into passenger operation a number of 810s is a master stroke by Hitachi, because EMR / DfT cannot hand the fleet back despite how poor they are. The very large red flag in the Aurora story is surely 810002. Where is it ? There are suggestions the welding on it was so poor it has been hidden away to maybe repaired or maybe replaced by a new one with the same number. That is probably speculation, which is what happens in a vacuum. In my opinion though the 810s are worse than the 800s despite nearly a decade of UK experience.
 
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Very interesting comments above, what a shame. I've been looking again at Real Time Trains for the past few days and it looks like 810 010 has been having a few issues lately, as well as failing on Friday it also seems to have failed on Saturday and again today. Maybe some sort of engine/traction issue today as it managed to limp back to Etches Park from Bedford (where it was terminated short) but continued to loose more and more time? As always not sure how accurate this is though.
 

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810019 was meant to do some testing with EMR (3A27/28) but that never came to fruition, canned due to MU - Depot Operating Problems with the return being YI - Late arrival of inbound stock
 

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This is probably not true but talking to some other enthusiasters at Leicester one said that a 002 had been sent Libya. That's why it's not been seen.
 

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