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Deerfold

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Orange line and renumbered to 38? Probably simplified too as I can't see the 18A or 18X lasting long
They do say in the article that they intend to provide the full favour of 18 services from September (just an hourly 18 for now).

I did used to use Barton's 18 when I lived on a road parallel to Cator Lane, with friends in Beeston Rylands (and with a last bus from Nottingham at 2220 (2320 Saturdays).
 
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Will be interesting to see what vehicles they use as the yutongs are pretty tight as it is. The initial 18 route running hourly wont be as bad but approx a pvr of 4 once all variants start on 1st september
 

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Will be interesting to see what vehicles they use as the yutongs are pretty tight as it is. The initial 18 route running hourly wont be as bad but approx a pvr of 4 once all variants start on 1st september
I heard about the CT4N collapse early this afternoon from a friend who drives (drove) for them and was messaged to complete his journey then return to depot. It was the first he knew, so there were no circulating rumours ahead of this. Unfortunately for him, he recently burned his bridges with NCT and moved to CT4N. Based on other recent NCT expansion I think their approach is to go in commercially then look to expand by subsidy. That way you avoid a tender for the whole lot which another operator might win and if the extras do not go your way then you can always pull your commercial bit as being uneconomic. I guess there is no issue with them starting DD until matters settle, or using a Solo off 90 and DDing that, as can happen now.
 

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Will be interesting to see what vehicles they use as the yutongs are pretty tight as it is. The initial 18 route running hourly wont be as bad but approx a pvr of 4 once all variants start on 1st september
are they tight? I thought they had a surplus following the recent service cuts and 11 Yutongs showing on bustimes as not used today.
 

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Trent Barton has always been a standard bearer.

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Interesting… Wonder how NCT will integrate the route into its own colour scheme.
I imagine it will become Orange 33 or 37 soon

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I dont really know about the CT4N routes but arent the remaining local links (like the L2 and L14) run by these? Could mean the only yellow 72 to asarts farm could return but in a different way or not that number or line.
 

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are they tight? I thought they had a surplus following the recent service cuts and 11 Yutongs showing on bustimes as not used today.
Mostly branded vehicles being covered by spares, only 3 spares not out today so i suppose it depends if those branded ones are off due to being surplus or a genuine reason for being off the road, ie repairs etc

The changed freed up the 3 navy e10s and 2 yellow e10s but the changes to the green lines pretty much absorbed these

Would double decks be suitable for the 18? Or perhaps the 90 will go double deck and the 18 can have the solos as a temporary solution
 
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I imagine it will become Orange 33 or 37 soon

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I dont really know about the CT4N routes but arent the remaining local links (like the L2 and L14) run by these? Could mean the only yellow 72 to asarts farm could return but in a different way or not that number or line.
L2 is quite different to yellow routes, could become an orange 33 or 37 like the 18 since its a derby road route but i dont think nct does tenders much
 

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Orange 36 is the original 33. Back In the 90’s it was the 18/32 to Melbourne Road then 18 to Ilkeston and the 32 via Balloon Woods, Strelley Road to Bulwell.
Personally NCT should look toward swapping the 32 back from retirement and perhaps retiring the 18 for network cohesion.
Is something on the horizon for the navy 49 and the Rylands?
Brilliant news regarding NCT taking on this well established service.
 

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I imagine it will become Orange 33 or 37 soon

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I dont really know about the CT4N routes but arent the remaining local links (like the L2 and L14) run by these? Could mean the only yellow 72 to asarts farm could return but in a different way or not that number or line.
Going on the L14, I could see it becoming a reincarnation of NCTs previous turquoise route 80, as the "current" L14 (just like the old 80) goes past Alfreton Road, then Hyson Green, eventually overlapping with the yellow 68/69.
 

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Orange 36 is the original 33. Back In the 90’s it was the 18/32 to Melbourne Road then 18 to Ilkeston and the 32 via Balloon Woods, Strelley Road to Bulwell.
Personally NCT should look toward swapping the 32 back from retirement and perhaps retiring the 18 for network cohesion.
Is something on the horizon for the navy 49 and the Rylands?
Brilliant news regarding NCT taking on this well established service.
Before it was the 36, this was my local bus, the 38. NCT used to run Beeston to Bulwell with a 34.
 

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and even a 39 once upon a time :)
Just saying, it’ll be a good time for a number rejig. I mean the 18a is almost the original 31
I agree especially with navy line, as the 1 wont get renumbered cuz of the history of South Notts one and if the 48 and 49 became the 2 and 3 there would be no room for green line (lower) or consistent navy line, also the recent renumbering of skyblue line and red line. I dont understand why they used 60 and 61 when lime line stops at 59, they should have done 62 and 63, also the new grey 55 why not 52 it just traps the lime line in (except the 57). I dont much about routes before 2010 but seeing old photos the numbers were all different, my dad tells me the old 27 (sort of) was the 74 (I think)
 

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Looking at the geography along Mansfield Road, I highly doubt the Lime lines are in any danger of outgrowing the 56-59 range.
 

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Looking at the geography along Mansfield Road, I highly doubt the Lime lines are in any danger of outgrowing the 56-59 range.
True, as they've not long been rid of the 57.
I agree especially with navy line, as the 1 wont get renumbered cuz of the history of South Notts one and if the 48 and 49 became the 2 and 3 there would be no room for green line (lower) or consistent navy line, also the recent renumbering of skyblue line and red line. I dont understand why they used 60 and 61 when lime line stops at 59, they should have done 62 and 63, also the new grey 55 why not 52 it just traps the lime line in (except the 57). I dont much about routes before 2010 but seeing old photos the numbers were all different, my dad tells me the old 27 (sort of) was the 74 (I think)
Like I've suggested previously, buses via Queen's Drive (the services 48 and 49) should really have their own line colour separate from buses via Trent Bridge.
 

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Like I've suggested previously, buses via Queen's Drive (the services 48 and 49) should really have their own line colour separate from buses via Trent Bridge.
Perhaps they could revive the maroon they used to use for the 13 and 14, which ran in a somewhat similar direction via Castle Boulevard (didn't one of them go via Queens Drive and Castle Bridge Road at one time?). It is also the colour besides navy used on the old South Notts livery.
 

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Perhaps they could revive the maroon they used to use for the 13 and 14, which ran in a somewhat similar direction via Castle Boulevard (didn't one of them go via Queens Drive and Castle Bridge Road at one time?). It is also the colour besides navy used on the old South Notts livery.
You might be thinking of the Sand line 11 Trent boulevard and 12 Clifton. Very short lived! Maroon 13 terminated at Beeston and 14 at Inham Nook, both via Broadgate then Castle boulevard again lasted barely a year.
At the same time it was an orange 33 via QMC grounds, Queens Road, Wollaton Road to Dennis avenue.
 

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You might be thinking of the Sand line 11 Trent boulevard and 12 Clifton. Very short lived! Maroon 13 terminated at Beeston and 14 at Inham Nook, both via Broadgate then Castle boulevard again lasted barely a year.
At the same time it was an orange 33 via QMC grounds, Queens Road, Wollaton Road to Dennis avenue.
Didn't the maroon 13 and 14 last longer than a year?, I know they changed it a bit near the end, like the 13 served where the 34C does today
 

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The 13 was a longstanding route, running on Castle Boulevard when I had a flat there in 1987. The 14 was certainly more transitory and I think changed a few times during its short life.
 

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You might be thinking of the Sand line 11 Trent boulevard and 12 Clifton. Very short lived! Maroon 13 terminated at Beeston and 14 at Inham Nook, both via Broadgate then Castle boulevard again lasted barely a year.
At the same time it was an orange 33 via QMC grounds, Queens Road, Wollaton Road to Dennis avenue.
Sand Line was St Ann’s. The 11 and 12 were Blue Line in September 2001. The 11 changed to Green Line in March 2002 when it became a Go2 route. The 12 changed to Navy Line. Blue Line was then adopted for St Ann’s based services.
 

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The 13 was a longstanding route, running on Castle Boulevard when I had a flat there in 1987. The 14 was certainly more transitory and I think changed a few times during its short life.
The 14 was half hourly daytimes only, very short lived, and a replacement for the FastLine 508/34. The 508 was unusual being the only express that ran off peak at that period. Fastline 505 was the peak hours service to Inham Nook. The 34 to Bulwell around the Inham Nook area ran via Pearson Avenue/Eskdale Drive.
My memory is fading :( It was part of the SkyLink kerfuffle around 2012 with Premiere’s Red5. A bus war along castle boulevard! Naturally the 13 disappeared sadly at that point.
In the 1980’s nct’s University Boulevard services was the wonderful 12 (Wilford hill), via Derby Road and broadgate. 13 Castle boulevard, Queens Road, Imperial Road & 14 Castle Boulevard & Broadgate.
Perhaps the 18 should go Maroon 8-)

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Sand Line was St Ann’s. The 11 and 12 were Blue Line in September 2001. The 11 changed to Green Line in March 2002 when it became a Go2 route. The 12 changed to Navy Line. Blue Line was then adopted for St Ann’s based services.
My memory!!!
 

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In the 1980’s nct’s University Boulevard services was the wonderful 12 (Wilford hill), via Derby Road and broadgate. 13 Castle boulevard, Queens Road, Imperial Road & 14 Castle Boulevard & Broadgate.
By the early 90s the 14 had disappeared with the 12 and 13 both being every 15 minutes. I lived in Dunkirk in 1995-6 on the 13 route, but not far from the 12.

NCT ran the tendered 310 on a Sunday then Nottingham - Castle Donnington - Loughborough which took the 13 route between Nottingham and Beeston and ran every 3 hours. I was surprised when it turned up once, but caught it anyway and was an hour early at my destination as I'd missed the clock change
 

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By the early 90s the 14 had disappeared with the 12 and 13 both being every 15 minutes. I lived in Dunkirk in 1995-6 on the 13 route, but not far from the 12.

NCT ran the tendered 310 on a Sunday then Nottingham - Castle Donnington - Loughborough which took the 13 route between Nottingham and Beeston and ran every 3 hours. I was surprised when it turned up once, but caught it anyway and was an hour early at my destination as I'd missed the clock change
It was a little bit of the 3 and a lot of the 10 :)

I had the pleasure of a ride on a South notts minibus 310, perhaps 1993 and the absolute bargain of the Sherwood Forester day ticket! those were the days :)

I’m really looking forward to a trip up t’ north tomorrow.

Secret fares on Seat Frog seem to be at an all time high of £20 each way instead of the usual £15.

For anyone needing a bargain fare, try £9 Euston to Tamworth before 10am and roughly the same price Tamworth to Nottm. £18 London to Nottingham before 10am, I’ve not found it possible before, unless anyone knows, I’m all ears. Occasionally Seat frog throw in the odd 7’ish but it’s really 10:05-11:35 I seem to be given.

I’d usually use the 36 after leaving Nottingham station, (even though I could get the tram) however it’ll ABSOLUTELY be the 18 tomorrow.

For me it’ll seem surreal being 50 years old, regularly using Barton’s 18/32. Never would I imagined NCT would run the service. And how I wanted them to do so back then.

It marks a historic moment where NCT is dipping its toes deep into what was traditionally known as "TrentBartonLand."

Also elsewhere, I’ve seen negative criticism of the EasyRider Further fare and the Robin Hood zone at Bramcote village.

My own negativity manifests from being a young lad around 1990 and how the Sherwin Arms acted as an almost double whammy fare stage! It was the grand fare of 50p half fare 1990. A couple of stops away it was 60p adult fare lol.

To be honest I see NCT doing exactly the same as TrentBarton in using the Sherwin Arms as a fare hike unfortunately.

The original boundary of Robin Hood was the Nursery Man pub Wollaton Road. NCT took over the 31 so the boundary was pushed further up Derby Road to Cow Lane Bramcote, where the 31 deviated. So it’s possible to change. It might have been called kangaroo then.

I really hope with local government reorganisations, the Robin Hood zone is expanded. Surely it’s a given if the city boundary is about to swallow Broxtowe amongst other areas. But that’s something else….a
 

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Apparently ct4n 66 route is being taken over by kinchbus on the 24th of August (I'm fairly sure that's what it said). (EM today)
 

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It will be interesting to see if NCT can make a go of the 18, 40+ years ago when driving part time for Bartons it was one of the quieter routes with the stretch to Ilkeston or Bulwell as the 32 rarely carrying many passengers . With the decline of Plessey and Boots plus the arrival of the Tram I wasnt surprised they withdrew it. Having spoken to several CT4N drivers when using the route it seemed unprofitable still, Fingers crossed
 

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It will be interesting to see if NCT can make a go of the 18, 40+ years ago when driving part time for Bartons it was one of the quieter routes with the stretch to Ilkeston or Bulwell as the 32 rarely carrying many passengers . With the decline of Plessey and Boots plus the arrival of the Tram I wasnt surprised they withdrew it. Having spoken to several CT4N drivers when using the route it seemed unprofitable still, Fingers crossed
They aren’t really making a go of it though to be fair - it’s a tendered (subsidised) route. The council/EMCC pay an operator to run it as it wouldn’t be commercially viable on its own
 

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Random idea I had today was to merge the 18 and the 49. But it's debatable as to whether it would be feasible to serve the QMC and Queen's Drive P&R on the same route without making the route too convoluted. An extension of the current 49 to Rylands and Beeston probably isn't a far-fetched idea, but I'd imagine residents of Rylands would be none too pleased with losing a direct connection to the QMC.
 

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They aren’t really making a go of it though to be fair - it’s a tendered (subsidised) route. The council/EMCC pay an operator to run it as it wouldn’t be commercially viable on its own
I’m surprised at you! I’d usually expect a positive comment from yourself regarding a substantial change like this :p
Isn't it just the 18A between Beeston and Wollaton that’s subsided plus the Beeston Marina loop? Hence the 18 being kickstarted so quickly?
 

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I’m surprised at you! I’d usually expect a positive comment from yourself regarding a substantial change like this :p
Isn't it just the 18A between Beeston and Wollaton that’s subsided plus the Beeston Marina loop? Hence the 18 being kickstarted so quickly?
Ah fair enough my mistake, I’d thought the whole route got support.

Very selfishly and probably controversially, I’d rather core routes had kept their proper evening services rather than trying to make basket case services work (sorry!)
 

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