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I've seen a comment on the Liverpool METRO FB group that Stagecoach are getting 3 extra Ultroliners.....presume that makes 63 for St Helens??? and assume they will be 18991-3??? Can anyone confirm???
Also, you may be aware of those Birkenhead allocated unregistered Solos built in 2024 apparently, intended to be OPxx SOL registration plates. I just wanted to clarify if this is complete waffle and it's just fake, or if it's actually real.
 
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I've seen a comment on the Liverpool METRO FB group that Stagecoach are getting 3 extra Ultroliners.....presume that makes 63 for St Helens??? and assume they will be 18991-3??? Can anyone confirm???
Well that's news to me, I was at a town show in Newton-le-Willows yesterday and there was representatives from the LCR for the Metro franchising and I saw that there will be 110 buses stationed at St. Helens.

60 Double Deckers
33 Single Deckers
14 Midi-buses
3 Mini-buses

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I've seen a comment on the Liverpool METRO FB group that Stagecoach are getting 3 extra Ultroliners.....presume that makes 63 for St Helens??? and assume they will be 18991-3??? Can anyone confirm???
Also aren't St. Helens already getting 14 E400MMCs from Gillmoss?
 
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Also, you may be aware of those Birkenhead allocated unregistered Solos built in 2024 apparently, intended to be OPxx SOL registration plates. I just wanted to clarify if this is complete waffle and it's just fake, or if it's actually real.
The person on facebook posting it doesnt seem genuine and I cant see it happening knowing the Wirral Operations
 

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Also, you may be aware of those Birkenhead allocated unregistered Solos built in 2024 apparently, intended to be OPxx SOL registration plates. I just wanted to clarify if this is complete waffle and it's just fake, or if it's actually real.
I suspect that's a load of rubbish myself....
 

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The person on facebook posting it doesnt seem genuine and I cant see it happening knowing the Wirral Operations
well if it was going to happen i suspect one would have showed up for driver training. which starts this week at laird street

laird st is only getting 2 types of buses

Ultraliner and ADL E200 in 2 different sizes.
 

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well if it was going to happen i suspect one would have showed up for driver training. which starts this week at laird street

laird st is only getting 2 types of buses

Ultraliner and ADL E200 in 2 different sizes.
Surly they be getting some small buses for the 106 replacement such as sprinters to get around Vale Park, Dalmorton Road etc in New Brighton only small solos and sprinters can get around due to parking etc
 

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Surly they be getting some small buses for the 106 replacement such as sprinters to get around Vale Park, Dalmorton Road etc in New Brighton only small solos and sprinters can get around due to parking etc
Well if they are there not at widnes or laird street for type training
 

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Well if they are there not at widnes or laird street for type training
Well if the new 405/6 which replaces the current 106 is still going same way via Grosvenour Road, Dalmoreton road, Kirkland Rd, Vaughan Road, Magazine Ln, Holland Rd, Haydock Rd and Heartford Road then a front wheeled small bus is needed hence why if you look back over years its always been solos, streetlite WF's or Sprinters around there depending on previous operators
 

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Well if the new 405/6 which replaces the current 106 is still going same way via Grosvenour Road, Dalmoreton road, Kirkland Rd, Vaughan Road, Magazine Ln, Holland Rd, Haydock Rd and Heartford Road then a front wheeled small bus is needed hence why if you look back over years its always been solos, streetlite WF's or Sprinters around there depending on previous operators
Well I can only tell you what is there for type training currently but I’m sure if any is going to arrive they will within next couple of months
 

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Surly they be getting some small buses for the 106 replacement such as sprinters to get around Vale Park, Dalmorton Road etc in New Brighton only small solos and sprinters can get around due to parking etc
The stored 8.9m Enviro 200mmc's can fit.

Used to operate with a 9.5m Wright Streetlight in Supertravel days
 

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The stored 8.9m Enviro 200mmc's can fit.

Used to operate with a 9.5m Wright Streetlight in Supertravel days
Front wheeled yes which is needed

They tried a man centro and got stuck around vale park (Supertravel)

Back in the day A1A on a saturday put a dart on last 106 and had to miss the loop

I drove it for A2B when it was the full Moreton to Liscard via Liscard route and it was tight in a solo
 

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Mention on another forum (LCR Metro enthusiasts FB page) that E400MMC's & Kite's are also on order. I had seen somewhere that ADL had won a contract to build vehicles for tranche 2, however the Kite's are a surprise.....presumably for a single deck requirement at Gillmoss perhaps??? Unless another depot is to be electrified once GM is done???
 

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Sorry if if its been mentioned, but was in Liverpool last weekend and noticed Arriva running some metro buses with Arriva on it,yet they they haven't won anything yet ?
 

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I’ve been told by one of my colleagues who did the driver training yesterday that there is smaller buses coming on top of what is at laird street and Widnes currently for the a2B routes don’t know make or model of them
 

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Just clocked one of HTLs new (to them) former London E400s pootling up the M6 just now, in a rather nice grass green, with a dark green bib under the windscreen with two white stripes down the advert panels and "Huyton Travel" in a circle ala Tower Transit style... No idea which one as I was heading the other way but sth to look out for...
 

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Just clocked one of HTLs new (to them) former London E400s pootling up the M6 just now, in a rather nice grass green, with a dark green bib under the windscreen with two white stripes down the advert panels and "Huyton Travel" in a circle ala Tower Transit style... No idea which one as I was heading the other way but sth to look out for...
I wonder if this might be the new HTL livery? If so, it would be good to know what an HTL bus looks like instead of the present offering of all red, blue and white, green, and off-white! Hopefully when the fleet is repainted and gained fleet numbers as South Wales Transport have done, it will emphasise the new ownership of Tower Transit.
 

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Sorry if if its been mentioned, but was in Liverpool last weekend and noticed Arriva running some metro buses with Arriva on it,yet they they haven't won anything yet ?
Arriva have had most of their new vehicles over the past year or so delivered in Metro livery.
 

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Arriva have had most of their new vehicles over the past year or so delivered in Metro livery.
Arriva probably thought they were going to win part of the franchise, but now face the cost of repainting them when or before next September.
 

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Arriva have had most of their new vehicles over the past year or so delivered in Metro livery.
Arriva probably thought they were going to win part of the franchise, but now face the cost of repainting them when or before next September.

One thing it shows is that when people suggest that operators can curry favour with tendering authorities etc, it doesn't and can't carry any weight when the tender packages are let.
 

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Arriva probably thought they were going to win part of the franchise, but now face the cost of repainting them when or before next September.
Arriva can still win a depot, I have been told by a few Arriva drivers that Arriva are focused on keeping the Speke depot.
 

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Arriva probably thought they were going to win part of the franchise, but now face the cost of repainting them when or before next September.
They would have anyway as LCRCA have decided to buy a full new fleet.
 

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I saw post on facebook that Metro liveried 2750-65 were to transfer to Runcorn from Laird Street when the Wirral franchise starts. Runcorn whilst in the LCR is not part of the franchising but does have routes that operate into Liverpool namely 61, 79C, 82A and X4 so maybe Arrivas plan is to use Metro liveried buses on these routes.
 

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As i've said, Runcorn has a batch of 40 Pulsars with most on 09 to 12 plates that are going to start need replacing in the next few months, if presumably the buses being max 15 year rule is still being kept after franchising starts, also the 329 & 360 are moving to Runcorn in September, so the Metro liveried E200MMCs at Laird Street are moving to Runcorn when franchising begins on Wirral.
 

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I'm told there should be nothing older than 12 plate in the Arriva NW/Merseyside fleet by the end of the year.

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but it lists 6 Lots and the winners of those contracts to supply buses...I'm assuming these are all for tranche 2 (Liverpool, Knowsley, Sefton).



Fairly obvious what these will be.....

LOT 1 could only be more Ultroliners (between 130 & 155 buses)

LOT 2 could only be E400MMC's (between 117 and 152 buses)

LOT 3 could only be E200MMC's - longer version (between 55 and 115 buses)

LOT 4 could only be E100/200EV's (between 24 and 40 buses)

LOT 5 could only be E200MMC's - shorter version (between 24 and 40 buses)

LOT 6 could only be GB Kite's (between 4 and 10 buses)

HTH
 
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The timetables for the 10/10a have been published. The timetable does not seem to be very radical compared to what already exists commercially. I also don't like how they retained the model that to prevent dead running, they run shorts for the last few trips of the day which the Bee Network has avoided for some core routes with buses running end to end in both directions in the early hours after midnight.

 

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The timetables for the 10/10a have been published. The timetable does not seem to be very radical compared to what already exists commercially. I also don't like how they retained the model that to prevent dead running, they run shorts for the last few trips of the day which the Bee Network has avoided for some core routes with buses running end to end in both directions in the early hours after midnight.

Wasn't this more or less what we expected - that at least to begin with, things would remain much the same while the new owners worked out quite what they had taken on?
 

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Disappointed at the 10A frequency being reduced to every 10 minutes when franchising starts, other than the Summer timetable the 10A is every 7 to 8 minutes, & buses often leave Queen Square full, so capacity will be an issue too.
 

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