Just like 50 years ago then, when Gerry Fiennes' few comments about government inaction in his book had the ministry, appalled at the slightest critical comment, just get rid of him.
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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates
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Wyrleybart
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Thanks Liam, and would all of those diagrams being singles - obviously diagrams are individual units anyway, but are there any multi 222 services anymore ?
Amos390
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there’s a couple 810 runs of interest released. There is:
First 810 to Long Marston - https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train/?c=K00001&d=30/07/2026
Unit returning from Dalby to Etches: https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train.php/?c=K02727&d=2026-07-29
First 810 to Long Marston - https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train/?c=K00001&d=30/07/2026
Unit returning from Dalby to Etches: https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train.php/?c=K02727&d=2026-07-29
Wyrleybart
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That is interesting. Isn't Long Marston a Porterbrook site ?
Yes, but I am lead to believe that the Old Dalby test track is fully booked. possibly why Marston is being used.
Plus the Long Marston test track is a continuous loop, where as Dalby is split into sections, where you have to constantly stop and reverse
Amos390
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From a RAIL article:
A Hitachi Rail spokesperson said: “The Class 810 fleet has been in passenger service with East Midlands Railway since December 2025 and more than a third of the fleet has now been delivered.
“Hitachi Rail continues to work closely with all industry partners during the entry-into-service phase of the Class 810 fleet, implementing improvements and supporting the transition from the existing fleet to new Aurora trains. “
We remain focused on delivering the remainder of the fleet and supporting East Midlands Railway as more new trains enter passenger service. As part of this commitment, we are investing in additional testing activity at Long Marston Rail Innovation Centre to improve fleet introduction and delivery of the remaining trains.”
A Hitachi Rail spokesperson said: “The Class 810 fleet has been in passenger service with East Midlands Railway since December 2025 and more than a third of the fleet has now been delivered.
“Hitachi Rail continues to work closely with all industry partners during the entry-into-service phase of the Class 810 fleet, implementing improvements and supporting the transition from the existing fleet to new Aurora trains. “
We remain focused on delivering the remainder of the fleet and supporting East Midlands Railway as more new trains enter passenger service. As part of this commitment, we are investing in additional testing activity at Long Marston Rail Innovation Centre to improve fleet introduction and delivery of the remaining trains.”
Railperf
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How many units are required for the reduced timetable and what is the split between 222's and 810 requirement?
Looks to be 4 810s and 14 222s in the reduced timetable (as opposed to 6 810s and 20 222s normally)
Killingworth
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According to a political commentator the services are reduced by 50%. The reality is probaly nearer 15%. However if these allocations are correct the reduction in units is nearer 30%?
tram21
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In terms of seating capacity, yes. In terms of actual services running, no.
50002Superb
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Cancelled?
Any news on what the new train issues actually are? Bland 'not in service' comments don't cover it, not even 'Air Con failed'. What's actually wrong with it? Leaks in pipework? Compressor failed? Why are these happening now but not elsewhere, or not detected in initial testing? Who is working on it, not just 'I've fixed it now', but the permanent solution. For so many to be out of action there is surely some common thread.
AndrewJM70
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And also they have had six years to build these trains. Why were these issues not dealt with earlier.
Wyrleybart
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New trains are obviously a big problem, but I am more interested in why Hitachi are not delivering enough 222s for service everyday.
Last week and prior, there were mostly six 810s in traffic every day. Theoretically six new 810s a day easily covers stood down 222s to Lumo and 222104. Obviously every additional 810 into traffic theoretically allows another 222 to stand down for dilapidation hand back. I believe one of the 222s is long term stopped requiring a new cab.
I'd be surprised if Hitachi & the DfT had a particularly favourable relationship at the moment. IEP has been expensive & their reliability is hardly above average; the class 805s only running on 2 engines isn't uncommon.
810017 has finished its door mods at Aycliffe and is operating tonight's overnight test moves from Merchant Park.
5Q58: 2151 Merchant Park Sidings - Doncaster
Full train schedule for train 5Q58, the 2151 Merchant Park Sidings - Doncasterwww.opentraintimes.com
AndrewJM70
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Any sign of 023, 024 and 025? Or do we wait another year?
023 has been outside doing static testing.
024, 025 and 026 has also been seen shunted about .
Units up to 031 are built.
Amos390
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So only 2 yet to be built so far, that’s good I suppose
Most likely in the very final stages or complete (Info about 031 was a couple weeks ago).
nigelsporne
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Do we know which unit is making the trip to Long Marston today please? Thanks in advance.
Looking on Railcam it is 810020
InTheEastMids
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"How many yet to be taken to bits and rebuilt?" is perhaps the more pertinent question at this stage.
Robin Edwards
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I think 810018 also had issues last evening around Market Harborough?
Brand new trains. Some of these issues may have not been identified during testing. The way passengers use a train can be very different to just running and mileage testing.
810013
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Can confirm it was
nigelsporne
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Thank you
Exactly. Issues can crop up with anything over time and use. Not that I am trying, nor wish to defend Hitachi, but a unit which may be fine during static testing at Merchant Park can develop faults when members of the public start to use them whilst being ran up and down the MML at 100 and something MPH, doors, toilets, air con etc!