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Dr Hoo

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Thanks for that further insight. So, far from the book being a ‘Great’ Railway Quiz - just the thing for any railway enthusiast’s Christmas stocking, surely - it is actually a PhD exam paper. Rather than an ideal way to while away a wet evening at the local railway club when the speaker doesn’t turn up.

I had a similar experience at my local history society. The Chairman, having disposed of the formal business, announced that he had brought along a quiz to fill the time and make it worthwhile for us all turning out on a wet night. Besides being a historian he is also a great musicologist and treated us to 20 short musical clips from around the world, of singers in their native tongue. This wasn’t stuff like ABBA singing in Swedish, just imagine operatic songs in Albanian or Japanese. 60 points for language+artist+song. I got 4. o_O
 
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Good heavens -- your guy and his "short musical clips": I'd have been totally and utterly at sea there -- but then a friend once described me, accurately, as "musically dead". I suppose -- with people being as they are -- many folk tend to assume that as they have great expertise re some subject, no matter how esoteric: everyone else will be well-versed in that same.

I feel that possibly the most way-out question in the Christopher Hughes book, is: "Which railway terminus has the largest overall roof in South America?" The answer is, the Retiro terminus in Buenos Aires -- and if anybody knows that, other than a few citizens of the Argentine capital, I'd be surprised; and greatly doubt whether Mr. H. was aware of the fact, prior to extensive research.
 

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Possibly inviting here, counsel on the advisability of my getting a life; however -- in this thread's "sub-department" of rail-related matters in essentially "civilian" fiction -- I have lately been reading a couple of novels by the Australian author Colleen McCullough: probably best-known for her novel The Thorn Birds, and her historical-novel cycle set in Ancient Rome (she isn't E.M. Forster / Proust / Tolstoy, but her stuff is in my view competently written, and good fun). As I've mentioned previously in this thread: I'm inclined to the impression -- highly un-PC, no doubt -- that re fiction, female authors have a greater tendency than male ones, to get incidental railway-related details wrong -- the old meme "girls don't like, and are bored by, trains, and don't understand boys' fascination with them". Per the above-mentioned works, though -- I get the feeling that our Colleen is pretty much on the money concerning rail matters when they come up in her novels; and describes such, seemingly with considerable gusto, and a fair bit of technical gen -- pondering prompted, as to whether she's genuinely something of a railfan.

The novels mentioned are set in the author's home state of New South Wales, in different periods. One, The Touch, covers the last three decades of the 19th century; its hero, a self-made gold magnate / industrialist who becomes phenomenally rich from his gold -- source thereof, a mountain area a bit under 100 miles west of Sydney. 1875 has him inaugurating a hundred-mile private rail line linking his fiefdom with the nearest point of the New South Wales Government Railways' system -- genesis and equipment of the railway, told of in impressive and by me, un-faultable detail. One very minor "bloomer" detected elsewhere -- a decade onward, the hero and his womenfolk (complicated situation, with which the narrative makes much play) are sumptuously entertaining various political / commercial bigwigs whom they wish to get "on side", with a magnificent and no-expenses-spared dinner party: including "the sorbet, made from pineapples shipped by refrigerated van from Queensland..." -- only, this banquet is taking place in 1885. At that date, "refrigerated van" obviously means a rail vehicle (such rolling stock first introduced to the world in 1877): but as for such a vehicle getting from Queensland to New South Wales -- physical connection between the two colonies' rail systems did not come to be, until 1888 -- border and break-of-gauge point Wallangarra. (One takes it that the different-gauges factor needn't be in itself, a "killer" problem -- interchangeable bogies for goods stock?) But literally "refrigerated van" all the way in '85: no -- smallish refrigerated containers transportable by road (ox-carts?) and/or sea, would have had to be resorted to.

The above is admittedly an absurdly trivial nitpick. The author drops a somewhat bigger clanger in the other novel, Bittersweet. Its setting is a "railway town" on the Sydney -- Melbourne main-line route: I suspect, a fictionalised version of the real Goulburn. One of the main characters truly is that rare bird, a female railway enthusiast (in most respects, she is actually rather a twit) -- fascinated by the local ever-active array of steam locos. Her watching the comings and goings of these at the station / locoshed are recounted: with mention of her delight in the NSWGR express locos -- classes specified, C36 and C38. However -- the date of this is 1926: accurate (just) for the C36 4-6-0s -- class first entered service in 1925; but the C38 Pacifics were not introduced until 1943 !

I realise that my above pettinesses, are just that; and that the inaccuracies don't interfere in the slightest, with the novels' general content. If I were tempted to write to Ms. McCullough c/o her publisher, pointing out these errors -- I'd be out of luck anyway: she died in 2015. And had she still been with us; she definitely strikes me as a forthright and robust Aussie -- I'd expect a response along the lines of, "You can just go and do one, sport -- I've got no use for your flamin' nonsense". I can see her point ... at all events, I found the books -- railway "doings" therein, a pleasant bonus -- a pretty good read.
 

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Yesterday I took delvery of "Narrow Gauge Enigma - The Story or Peter Rampton and his Collection X" published this month by the Vale of Rheidol Railway. I ordered it some time ago as this rather pricey (£80) but weighty tome was on offer with a £10 discount prior to October. Like many I have read bits of info on the reclusive Mr Rampton and his large collection of narrow gauge rolling stock stashed away on his farm. Also fills in a bit of the back story of what became the Launceston Steam Railway as apparently the owner of that line Nigel Bowman inspired Rampton to start collecting locomotives when he encountered Nigel working on his recently acquired Hunslet LILLIAN in his parent's garden.

Rampton was of some considerable wealth due to his family having benefitted from floating their mail order business Freemans on the stockmarket in the 1960s thus he collected many full sized locos from around the world, he also was involved in the creation of both the Brecon Mountain Railway and acquired the Vale of Rheidol from British Railways in the 1980s.

The large format 412 page book is well illustrated throughout with colour and mono photos and loco diagrams with each item of rolling stock in the collection featured. Many of the items are now on display at the new museum at Aberystwyth Station.

Spent quite a few hours with it yesterday - now about half way through

The text of Narrow Gauge Enigma and the end papers indicate that new books on the Vale of Rheidol and Brecon Mountain Railway are forthcoming.

Highly recommended for anyone into narrow gauge.
 

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There's a lot about this hobby, that passes me by -- don't think I'd ever heard of this gentleman before reading the above post. The book sounds highly interesting; but as you say, certainly not cheap. Wonder whether I might have the cheek to ask my two brothers for it as a joint Christmas present: £35 -- 40 per head <D ?

Sick joke -- some ordinary sensible people who think railway enthusiasm / enthusiasts very weird: might reckon "Rampton" a most suitable name for the chap concerned...
 

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Last week i got Brian Robertson's book on British Army Ambulance Trains. An excellent little book covering this interesting (if niche) subject from the mid-19th century to (near to) the present day. I recommend it.
 

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There's a lot about this hobby, that passes me by -- don't think I'd ever heard of this gentleman before reading the above post. The book sounds highly interesting; but as you say, certainly not cheap. Wonder whether I might have the cheek to ask my two brothers for it as a joint Christmas present: £35 -- 40 per head <D ?

Sick joke -- some ordinary sensible people who think railway enthusiasm / enthusiasts very weird: might reckon "Rampton" a most suitable name for the chap concerned...
He was a character that some rail enthusiasts were aware of as he basically bought the Vale of Rheidol off BR - but it was probably rumours of Collection X which started to circulate rather like the fabled but non existant Strategic Reserve rumours of the 1980s.

Then I recall photos of semi derelict locos and stock in farm barns on some Urban Exploration website some years and comments about of a secretive owner who didn't like visitors but had railway track in his farm yard.

Obviously since the chap died things have opened up and much of his collection has been placed in the nice new museum at Aberystwyth for everyone to see with duplicates sent off to other museums and railways.

It is a pricey book - probably one of the most expensive books I have bought but it is produced to a very high standard - though I noticed that Guinness had been spelt with only one n! :)

I can see the name connection.

I think he must have been a tad eccentric - his mother didn't like railways or approve of his railway collecting apparently calling it a "stupid thing to do" thus after she died he named the Trust which owns the engines "The Phyllys Rampton Narrow Gauge Railway Trust" rather than use his own name.
 

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Quick question folks... Was there ever an issue in the "Railways and Recollections" series (The Nostalgia Collection) for 1982 ?
 

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Yesterday I took delvery of "Narrow Gauge Enigma - The Story or Peter Rampton and his Collection X" published this month by the Vale of Rheidol Railway. I ordered it some time ago as this rather pricey (£80) but weighty tome was on offer with a £10 discount prior to October. Like many I have read bits of info on the reclusive Mr Rampton and his large collection of narrow gauge rolling stock stashed away on his farm.

He was a character that some rail enthusiasts were aware of as he basically bought the Vale of Rheidol off BR - but it was probably rumours of Collection X which started to circulate rather like the fabled but non existant Strategic Reserve rumours of the 1980s.

Then I recall photos of semi derelict locos and stock in farm barns on some Urban Exploration website some years and comments about of a secretive owner who didn't like visitors but had railway track in his farm yard.

Obviously since the chap died things have opened up and much of his collection has been placed in the nice new museum at Aberystwyth for everyone to see with duplicates sent off to other museums and railways.

Said farm is quite near me - I first found it when out cycling years ago, noticing narrow gauge track laid around the side of a field. I soon found that it wasn't historic, since nothing was shown on the old maps available on NLS, but it was quite a while later before I worked out the connection.

In the last few years activity to remove railway items from the site has been evident, and the track around the field that first attracted my attention has recently been lifted, though the ballast is still insitu. Some of the connecting tracks in the yard have also been lifted. There's a tender out in the open at present, but no other rail vehicles visible.

The two buildings that were rail connected look modern and purpose-built. I think one was an engine shed and the other a carriage or wagon shed, but that's guesswork since I've never seen them open.
 

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I've recently started reading Castles to Warships: On the Great Western Footplate by Jack Gardner. I've read the first two chapters, in which Gardner describes his early career as a cleaner in the shed at Worcester, and particularly the relationships between different positions - and particularly, the way in which some older drivers looked down upon the young cleaners with contempt. By the end of chapter two, Gardner has progressed to working as a fireman on some trains, before becoming a 'proper' fireman and being sent to Didcot. His descriptions of working with older drivers and the stress of trying to maintain a good fire whilst not aggravating his colleague are very well-done.

There is a map near the beginning of the book which shows the routes over which the author worked (or had unofficial cab-rides on). It's very impressive - an awful lot of the GWR system is covered. I'm looking forward to reading the rest of the book and see how his career progressed.

-Peter
 

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I'd like to announce that my second book is now available for pre-order on Amberley's website. It is called Railway Stations in Warwickshire and is a survey of railway stations of... well you can guess where! From Atherstone to Wootton Wawen. Should be out mid-April.

 

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As an idea discussed between @Calthrop, @yorkie and myself we thought it might be worth starting a thread off to discuss anything you might have read recently and whether you’d recommend it, what was interesting about it, or how well it was written etc.

There’s been a few similar threads over the years especially around Christmas, but it would be good to have one going all year round to share the knowledge about, and because it might encourage us to dip into the odd book that we might not have previously considered or heard about unless someone on this thread had recommended it to us.

Feel free to discuss books about international or UK railways on here no matter how niche it is, and let’s see how or if this develops into something useful and we’ll take it from there.
If you have any ideas that you think could be useful to incorporate then please send me a pm and we’ll have a chat about it.

Over to you folks. :)

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As the thread has reopened I’ll just mention a book I have just finished reading.
A friends father has recently published a book on the Mamhead Military Railway. This ran from Starcross to Mamhead and was built to serve the Canadian Forestry Corps during and after WW1. It transported cut timber felled by the CFC in the Haldon Forests to Starcross. The book tends to focus on the activities of the CFC rather than the railway itself, but does contain several pictures of the railway. A very good book on a little known railway.
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A few years ago I came across a book called: The Moretonhampstead Branch: A Railway from Shore to Moor which I would thoroughly recommend as it is really informative, has great photograph's and a really useful resource if you wanted to model it or just find out about the history of the branch.

If you do want to purchase this book then DONT buy from Amazon for a whole host of reasons instead either go to your local high street and hunt out an independent book seller or use this site: https://uk.bookshop.org/info/about-us
 

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My new picture book on the Douro Valley line in Portugal is now available for pre-order. You will be taken on a journey from Porto, into the heart of beautiful Douro enjoying the scenery and the veteran 1400 locomotives and carriages along the way. With modernisation work in progress this is very much a celebration of the line at its very best. Over 130 pages with text in both English and Portuguese.

 

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I have recently enjoyed reading 'Now Departing from Platform 54 - a 32 year-long railway journey' by my friend and former colleague Douglas Tetlow....a 210 page paperback memoir of his early interest in railways, his illicit exploits as a schoolboy nightshift signalman at Euxton Junction on the West Coast Main Line and his official 32 year railway career from starting as a Leading Railman at West Kilbride in 1972 and ending with his early retirement as a senior train planner with Network Rail Scotland in 2004.

After detailing the sometimes amusing and sometimes hair-raising events of the young Douglas's unofficial signalling career, the story of his official railway career draws heavily on the various characters with and for whom he has worked at different times and in various roles....and there are no-holds-barred in his descriptions of various people and events - some amusing and some sad.

Particularly interesting for me was the chapter about Douglas's holiday rail trips to the continent with his friend and colleague Iain Smith, who has provided a large proportion of the black-and-white photographs scattered throughout the book.

The book is an absorbing read and is published by Corkerhill Press in paperback (ISBN 978-1-0676101-0-4) or as an e-book (ISBN 9781-0676101-1-1). Copies may be obtained from Amazon.co.uk or directly from the author at 5 Springvale Street, SALTCOATS, Ayrshire KA21 5LR, enclosing a cheque for £11.90 including postage and packaging. Payment can also be made by bank transfer (details from the author).
 
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Thanks to "D6130" for the information on Douglas Tetlow's book a copy of which I obtained and have just finished reading.

I trust that the author has had no further serious health issues and his book was a reminder of the variety of freight traffic in the Scottish Region days gone by. Also, I recall the demise of the unofficial shop in Buchanan house following a revelation in , I think , the " Sunday Post " and the near miss at Polmont as related to me by some former colleagues who worked on the P.Way at weekends.

Although I was not a patron of the Station Bar , a number of the names mentioned were familiar. On the subject of relaxation and refreshment, I was surprised Douglas did not mention his visits to North Woodside baths.

Thanks to Douglas for taking the trouble to let us share his memories.
 

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My third book. Railway stations in the West Midlands, is now available to pre-order. As with the book on Warwickshire stations released earlier this year, this new book visits every station in the West Midlands, featuring station layout, architecture, history and operations.

 

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My new picture book on the Douro Valley line in Portugal is now available for pre-order. You will be taken on a journey from Porto, into the heart of beautiful Douro enjoying the scenery and the veteran 1400 locomotives and carriages along the way. With modernisation work in progress this is very much a celebration of the line at its very best. Over 130 pages with text in both English and Portuguese.

So the 1400's are the veterans now! When I used to go there they were the modern intruders we tried to avoid, like the FLIRT units of today ( or is it tomorrow?). I'm sure it's a good book but, for me,the Douro valley had its heart ripped out when all the narrow gauge lines were closed. I suppose that's life.
 

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So the 1400's are the veterans now! When I used to go there they were the modern intruders we tried to avoid, like the FLIRT units of today ( or is it tomorrow?). I'm sure it's a good book but, for me,the Douro valley had its heart ripped out when all the narrow gauge lines were closed. I suppose that's life.
They're not that shy of 60 now! But you're right, it's a real shame the Corgo and Tamega were closed so relatively recently. I was lucky to ride on both. By way of a consolation we can still enjoy 9004 and 9005 on the Vouga line, I just hope the line north of Sernada reopens sooner rather than later.
 

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I have just received my complimentary copies of my third book, Railway stations in the West Midlands, from Acocks Green to Yardley Wood. Available from all good book shops and online and officially released next month i believe. I may be a bit biased of course but i think it looks pretty good.

Railway stations in the West Midlands book
 

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Leamington and Stratford are covered in my second book (released in the spring), Railway stations in Warwickshire. I've taken a photo of pages from both books...
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Recent derailments have prompted me to get out my copy of Andrew Dow's magnum opus, The Railway: British Track since 1804. As a non-engineer, it reminds me just how much goes into the permanent way
 

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Recent derailments have prompted me to get out my copy of Andrew Dow's magnum opus, The Railway: British Track since 1804. As a non-engineer, it reminds me just how much goes into the permanent way
Absolute treasure that book. read it cover to cover and learned so much, really fascinating. Even mentions Webb and his steel sleepers.
 

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