No, Torre is a two platform station with no cross over.
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Paignton station footbridge on fire 21/07/26
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Mattplans
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Just as an aside - I've seen the phrase "being piloted" used on this forum and in that context I understood it to mean the driver being conducted/instructed over an unusual route they don't sign. Are there numerous meanings or was that used incorrectly there?
dk1
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Could well mean the same if used in that context as being route conducted yes.
REVUpminster
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Looking at realtime, it looks like trains are running empty to Torquay-Paignton-Torquay to reverse today. Even a Cross Country later is going down to Goodrington to reverse.
Considering I'm only 2 miles from the station I should go and have a look. Get a bus or use the car park.
Considering I'm only 2 miles from the station I should go and have a look. Get a bus or use the car park.
As well as sometimes also being used to describe an additional loco bolted to the front of a train!
CR165022
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All the GWR services are correct but the XC ones won't be running. They've both been cut short to Exeter and the Paignton ECS moves simply haven't been removed from the timetable yet.
dk1
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That makes sense. I didn’t think they’d be running through.
REVUpminster
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Today. No signage for using buses. A Torbay Council official having to answer all the questions. The usual staff were there behind the fence. No damage done to booking hall. Wooden roof panels over the old newsagents kiosk being removed. Empty trains using the usual stopping marks.
Annetts key
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Note that for the purposes of single line working (bidirectional operation of an otherwise unidirectional signalled line) or a single line (or the reverse direction of a bidirectional line) when the normal signalling is not available (typically due to a failure), the pilot (or the older term pilotman) will be either a Network Rail signaller or a Network Rail MOM.
In most cases, it's a MOM these days.
Note that at any moment in time, for a particular line, or section of a line, there can only be one pilot. Hence only one train should be in section, thus making a head on or rear end collision unlikely.
If the member of staff in the cab is a train company employee, then it's likely to route conducting rather than pilot working for signalling reasons.
REVUpminster
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MOM=? Can't be man of the moment. Perhaps we didn't have them on the underground. That youtube single line working video had some similar systems although on the underground we had slightly different problems with rail anchors on the traction rails.
zwk500
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Mobile Operations Manager. Although Man of the Moment isn't far off, given they are the person who is usually tasked to respond to the site of infrastructure failures and incidents.
MOMs usually cover a relatively small patch, although the exact size will vary with the complexity of infrastructure and business of traffic.
Annetts key
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Many (maybe most) MOM's (Mobile Operations Managers) are former signallers and come under the same part of Network Rail as the signallers.
-Colly405-
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How is it ensured that there is only ever one pilot for a section of line, preventing a second person being "appointed" concurrently? is it something controlled by the signaller?
I think that's covered in the film, with the pilotman reporting to the signalboxes and them communicating with one another. They always used to wear prominent "PILOTMAN" red armbands.
Similar to single line tokens, often thought there's only one for a section, people unfamiliar are sometimes surprised there may be 20, set up initially 10 at each end, with the token machines managed by signallers and only capable of having one out at a time.
Incidentally, in the film, on the old Somerset & Dorset, the driver of the S&D 2-8-0 loco is Donald Beale, later prominent in various films of the line in its final days.
Kentish RYS
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Although they don't have MOMs I'm sure from discussions/reading that London Underground have a broadly similar Response Operations Person but I can't recall what they are called. I think the ERU (Emergency Response Unit) is used a bit more as a second call in severe situations, or am I misremembering and it is them?
Kentish RYS
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Any news on if the existing signalling was damaged? Is it just because of the building/footbridge the station is closed or will they need to repair the signalling as well?
Mattplans
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Some of the operational duties belonging to a NR MOM, can be executed by a London Underground CSS based in a station (Customer Service Supervisor) who have track authorisation.
deployed to collect debris from the track or check for a trespasser. And assist in evacuating a train in an emergency.
REVUpminster
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Five car voyagers are the norm, but sometimes only 4 cars.
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Paignton still closed; not expected to open until 28 July 2026. The replacement bus stop is in Hyde Road so it must be going down the Torbay Road back to Torquay.
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In a previous post it was reported that the Southend-Kingswear tour will run but not stopping at Paignton. The last two tour trains to Kingswear haven't picked up a steam locomotive at Taunton and went under diesel power, one arriving early. I don't think a loco was available.
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D6130
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Local press reporting this morning that three youths have been arrested in connection with the fire. (Sorry - can't do a quote on my phone).
www.bbc.co.uk
Three boys arrested after Paignton train station fire
Seven fire crews tackled the major blaze in Devon station and local roads closed.
www.bbc.co.uk
Annetts key
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In short, yes it's controlled by a signaller.
The signaller has to agree any arrangements with any other signallers in relevant signal boxes / PSB before pilot working can be introduced. There is a specific section about introducing pilot working in the rule book. And there is a specific form for recording the arrangements.
In addition to the appointment of the pilot, the start and end of the pilot worked section must be specified. Often these are signals but may also be stations.. Arrangements must be made to secure any trailing points that are not fitted with a facing point lock (FPL) that will now be facing for "wrong direction" moves.
3 young people out and about that early in the morning. Do the parents not wonder where they are?Three boys arrested after Paignton train station fire
Seven fire crews tackled the major blaze in Devon station and local roads closed.
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No, always a 9 car and rarely a 5 car, it's one of the few trains that it's actually a pleasure when it's short formed.
REVUpminster
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Went down Saturday morning 25 July 2026 at 100hrs and 1700hrs to see out the Kingswear-Southend tour train. The dry weather has meant the tour trains in the last few weeks have not picked up a steam locomotive at Taunton.
Notices were up today and three station staff were sitting at a table behind the wire fence. All staff gone at 1700hrs. No work being carried on at the station or the demolition opposite. Gilpen don't work weekends. I suppose that's why Tuesday is the mooted date for reopening to the public. No rush down here. No priority. There is still a smell of acrid smoke in the air.
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From today There is a crane from Devon Lifting Services that I don't think Gilpen are using to demolish the building opposite. Maybe something happening to the station Sunday.
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