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syorksdeano

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I've noticed that he has now released some CCTV footage of a journalist visiting his daughters property, and I can't help but think he hasn't thought this through.

For someone so worried about his security of himself and his family:
- the drive is open and shows it isn't gated.
- he has allowed you to see a vehicle (his daughters)in the video.
- he's now shown what CCTV system he has on that property.
- he has shown how much coverage there is of the drive on CCTV.

So really he's actually endangered his own family more by releasing this
 
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"We won't be standing a candidate." Green MP Hannah Spencer says it was "really difficult" for the party to decide whether to stand a candidate in the Clacton by-election triggered by Nigel Farage's resignation. #Newsnight https://x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/2074612762316038201

The Green Party MP Hannah Spencer has just announced on Newsnight that the party won't be standing in Clacton.

Maybe one for Carol Vorderman, Not local, but then neither is Mr Farage.

Would be difficult getting Labour, the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats to agree to back her given her views on things.
 
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Another reason Farage needs his secret £5m security payment is because a mob of 50 angry leftist scum smashed his car up with him in it. it was damaged so badly it was written off. Oddly no one filmed this, no one reported it, Farage didn't tell his insurance company or claim for the damage.
Members of Parliament (MPs) are elected office-holders rather than employees.
Apologies - i used the wrong word.

He seems to be trying to set his own T&Cs.
Of course - I suspect he knows he is trouble.

I understand that, but could they turn around and say we are not accepting your resignation until after the investigation so in the meantime you are still MP of Clacton or do they have to accept it as he's resigned today?
That just seems unnecessarily complicated. If he wants to flounce let him. The fact his only opponent will be a man with a bin on his head will be even sweeter. Hard to claim a mandate as Tribune of the plebs when you only beat a satirical refuse container!
 

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That just seems unnecessarily complicated. If he wants to flounce let him. The fact his only opponent will be a man with a bin on his head will be even sweeter. Hard to claim a mandate as Tribune of the plebs when you only beat a satirical refuse container!
The other option is noone goes out to vote. Obviously that will never happen but I can see a low turn out. I wonder what the lowest ever turn out in the UK is?
 

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The other option is noone goes out to vote. Obviously that will never happen but I can see a low turn out. I wonder what the lowest ever turn out in the UK is?

Probably one of the Police, [Fire] and Crime Commissioner elections - not unheard of to be under 20% in certain areas. They are being scrapped. Turnout has gone down in recent decades and was historically higher.

Edit: I do correctly remember - obviously not indicative of the whole electorate but back in 2012, Gwent got 14% - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-20355358

A polling station in the election for Gwent's police and crime commissioner had a turnout of zero.

It is understood the polling station is in the Bettws ward in Newport.

The turnout across Gwent was 14%, with former police officer Ian Johnston, an independent candidate, beating the Labour challenger Hamish Sandison on second preferences.

Voters went to the polls on Thursday when elections were held in all parts of England and Wales outside London.
 

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I just love the comedy value of it all.

Kinda like UK politics does a comedy sketch.

If Nigel wins, you can call the Bin man to come and take out the bins. Haha.
 

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Ultimately this election is going to do very little other than waste everyone's time and money; Farage is likely to still be the MP for Reform and will still have the parlimentary standards looking into him on his return to parliament. It's an ego-trip for someone who can't deal with an inch of scrutiny but the media is going to love it. The fact that he's not standing against a serious major opponent will basically mean unending questions for him on exactly the issues he was trying to sideline, so this is a massive own goal and the major parties have - seemingly - successfully called his bluff.
 

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The other option is noone goes out to vote. Obviously that will never happen but I can see a low turn out. I wonder what the lowest ever turn out in the UK is?
Lowest post-World War 1 turnout was in Liverpool Riverside, which saw just 34.1% turnout in the 2001 General Election
 

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I can only imagine Farage was hoping everyone would stand to push him out, he'd lose, claim it's all part of the establishment witch hunt, then go off to make loads more money without an investigation hanging over his head - with all his base continuing to support him (and likely gladly donating to him because they'll believe he's now destitute).

Having been an MP even just for a couple of years has probably opened up a lot of doors - and he can always come back ahead of the next election.

The problem is, if nobody serious stands, he's going to win.

So, I hope he wins, and the investigations start again immediately.
 

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Isn’t it curious that the most prominent right-wing politician in the country has fallen afoul of the faceless officials who uphold parliamentary standards? Seeing as a few years ago, the then most prominent right-wing politician in the country, Boris Johnson, also fell afoul of the same people. Crikey, what are the chances!

The official who decided Johnson‘s fate was one Sue Grey, respected for her great impartiality. That’s the same Sue Grey who immediately took a job for the Labour Party (which she was terrible at). In days gone by, when adults behaved like adults, a party leader would have refused to have had Grey working for them, on the basis that “justice must not just be done, it must be seen to be done”. But this is Keir Starmer we are talking about, probably the most sanctimonious and conceited man ever to have been prime minister- which is saying something. He feels he is such a virtuous man that rules do not apply to him.

Gosh, I wonder why many people of a conservative disposition do not entirely trust the parliamentary standards process. Some may even think it’s all a method of control designed to prevent elected politicians from rocking the boat- but of course that would be a conspiracy theory!

Still, at least there’s the jury system to protect against the most egregious abuses…oh wait, Labour have been trying to abolish that…purely for administrative reasons, you understand. I said as soon as that was announced, “they will put Farage on trial for something and he will not have a jury”. That is why it is being done. Isn’t it interesting that another controversial politician, Alex Salmond, was put on trial for terrible crimes- and acquitted on all counts by a jury.

If Farage has accepted a dodgy pile of cash, the answer is simple- don’t vote for him. Ever since this became a story, he has been declining in the polls- the public do not like shady dealings.

I sure look forward to being exhorted to lay down my life for “our democracy” in the event of a war with Russia!
 

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So, what's the most likely outcome? Farage wins this self-inflicted contest, then gets investigated by parliamentary standards, gets found to have broken them, gets a lengthy suspension, then fails the recall petition,

He then announces he won't stand, in another hissy fit, and flees off to the US to further his grifting opportunities,
 

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Isn’t it curious that the most prominent right-wing politician in the country has fallen afoul of the faceless officials who uphold parliamentary standards? Seeing as a few years ago, the then most prominent right-wing politician in the country, Boris Johnson, also fell afoul of the same people. Crikey, what are the chances!
There's the possibility that those two prominent right-wing politicians were also both over-privileged, greedy narcissists who believed they themselves were above the rules - which only applied to the little people, not to them ....
 

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There's the possibility that those two prominent right-wing politicians were also both over-privileged, greedy narcissists who believed they themselves were above the rules - which only applied to the little people, not to them ....
There is, but it really doesn’t help public confidence when Sue Gray then began working for the political opposition of the man she just censured. But what does anyone expect from a spy anyway?
 

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Isn’t it curious that the most prominent right-wing politician in the country has fallen afoul of the faceless officials who uphold parliamentary standards? Seeing as a few years ago, the then most prominent right-wing politician in the country, Boris Johnson, also fell afoul of the same people. Crikey, what are the chances!
It's interesting how the Grey report was used by Johnson to say that he'd been exonerated, before he then turned on her. And, lest we forget, what finally brought Johnson down was not "partygate" but his support of a known sex pest in a senior role.

Which takes us neatly to Clacton, and NF's opponent there. Much as I hate to admit it, faced with a 2-way choice of NF or Lozza*, I'd vote for NF rather than risk Fox being anywhere near Parliament. Fortunately, it looks like there will be the sane option of a satirical character with no known political capabilities.

* - to note that, if he is convicted of the charges he's accused of, the available sentences mean that it's likely that Fox would also be subject to a recall petition. However, I wait to see whether he actually files the papers to stand when the election is called.
 

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He then announces he won't stand, in another hissy fit, and flees off to the US to further his grifting opportunities,

The further he is from UK shores the happier I and I suspect millions of others would be. A downside would be, living in the US he'd be even closer to the big money donors and to those that seek to elevate and champion his campaigning on an ever wider scale.
 

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H'Angus the Monkey was elected Mayor of Hartlepool 3 times.

Binface had better prepare well. He may have a more serious future.
 

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Another reason Farage needs his secret £5m security payment is because a mob of 50 angry leftist scum smashed his car up with him in it. it was damaged so badly it was written off. Oddly no one filmed this, no one reported it, Farage didn't tell his insurance company or claim for the damage.
If he didn't tell the insurance, how could they write it off?
 

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H'Angus the Monkey was elected Mayor of Hartlepool 3 times.
and he delivered on his free bananas for school kids election promise!

( Christ - I have said something positive about the hangers. Off to bathe in domestos!)

If he didn't tell the insurance, how could they write it off?
you tell me........................

( why not just say we scrapped the car)
 
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In the early 1970's, when I lived in Kingston-upon Thames, the MP was elevated to the Lords when he was appointed Chair of a Quango. There was a by-election. The local newspaper said "we didn't ask for this by-election, and it is unnecessary. We will therefore not report on it." And they didn't. Not even the result. Perhaps a model now??
 

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( why not just say we scrapped the car)

It's odd how he claims to be the victim of repeated attacks (some physical in the case of the car so badly damaged it was a write-off, the supposed fire bomb, daily phone threats of assassination etc) and yet he doesn't seem to ever go to the police?

How can he then say the Government won't offer him protection if there are no reports of what appear to be rather terrifying incidents?

I rather suspect if he did report these crimes (assuming they happened) he'd be able to experience the two-tier policing he talks of all the time - because I bet he'd get more resources than most.
 

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It's odd how he claims to be the victim of repeated attacks (some physical in the case of the car so badly damaged it was a write-off, the supposed fire bomb, daily phone threats of assassination etc) and yet he doesn't seem to ever go to the police?

How can he then say the Government won't offer him protection if there are no reports of what appear to be rather terrifying incidents?

I rather suspect if he did report these crimes (assuming they happened) he'd be able to experience the two-tier policing he talks of all the time - because I bet he'd get more resources than most.

Because (a) it allows him to play the victim, which is a key part of his schtick, and (b) its 99.9% certain that those events never happened in the serious way he describes them
 

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and he delivered on his free bananas for school kids election promise!

( Christ - I have said something positive about the hangers. Off to bathe in domestos!)
For those who are a little younger or don't know the North East H'Angus the Monkey was the mascot for Hartlepool Football Club.

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DarloRich can probably write the political part of the story but the way to insult a Hartlepool citizen used to be to ask "Who Hung the monkey?" That goes back to Napoleonic times and is a diversion way off this topic and a long way from railways. But those with a curious disposition may enjoy this; https://www.jonwilks.online/blog/who-hung-the-monkey-an-old-song-from-hartlepool
 
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I'm hoping that the government does the right thing, and hold off on letting Farage resign until the parliamentary investigation is concluded. As Ed Davey has rightly said the constituents ought to have all the facts in front of them before voting. That is going to be key to stopping Farage turning the whole situation into a merry-go-round that he can use to tie them in knots & prevent a decision being made in good time.

However just how depressing is it that we've reached the point in the game where a man with a bin on his head could potentially decide the future direction of UK politics? A man, with a bin on his head. What an utter joke...
 

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Count Binface shouldn't stand either, of course. The entire opposition to Farage ought to abstain.
 

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It's interesting how the Grey report was used by Johnson to say that he'd been exonerated, before he then turned on her. And, lest we forget, what finally brought Johnson down was not "partygate" but his support of a known sex pest in a senior role.

Which takes us neatly to Clacton, and NF's opponent there. Much as I hate to admit it, faced with a 2-way choice of NF or Lozza*, I'd vote for NF rather than risk Fox being anywhere near Parliament. Fortunately, it looks like there will be the sane option of a satirical character with no known political capabilities.

* - to note that, if he is convicted of the charges he's accused of, the available sentences mean that it's likely that Fox would also be subject to a recall petition. However, I wait to see whether he actually files the papers to stand when the election is called.

There's always a Fox around the bin

To slightly miss quote Count Binface - but many to make the quote family friendly
 

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Isn’t it curious that the most prominent right-wing politician in the country has fallen afoul of the faceless officials who uphold parliamentary standards? Seeing as a few years ago, the then most prominent right-wing politician in the country, Boris Johnson, also fell afoul of the same people. Crikey, what are the chances!

The official who decided Johnson‘s fate was one Sue Grey
I see your conspiracy theory has damaged your memory.

Partygate didn't make Johnson resign. Nor did his SPAD's sightseeing trip to Barnard Castle. Nor did his £200,000 wallpaper. Nor did the huge loan facilitated by Richard Sharp*, who coincidentally then became BBC Chair. Nor, even, did Johnson's support of a man who was caught watching hardcore pornography videos of tractors in the House of Commons chamber.

What did for Johnson was appointing a sexual predator as a Party Whip.

* But if we really want to go down the conspiracy route, look who Richard Sharp's sister is and look at her interesting decision making in the libel case between Arron Banks and Carole Cadwalladr.
 

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