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Magdalia

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Will he be applying for the position of Bailiff of the Clacton Hundreds....or Steward of the Manor of Northstead?
Josh Simons is current steward of the Chiltern Hundreds, so Farage will have to apply for the stewardship of the Manor of Northstead, currently held by Stephen Flynn.

These are offices of the crown which are a constitutional device, because MPs are not allowed to resign, but they are disqualified if they hold an office of the crown.

Strictly speaking the appointments are made by the chancellor of the exchequer, I'm wondering if she could refuse?

I'm also not clear on the constitutional situation with regard to laying the writ for the by-election, could it be voted down?

The only opposition to them winning is the Conservatives who at the moment are a bit dysfunctional so unlikely to win
Beating the Conservatives in a Clacton by-election will be a different kettle of fish to a general election. Clacton is surrounded by Conservative constituencies: Bernard Jenkin in Harwich and North Essex, Priti Patel in Witham, James Cleverley in Braintree, James Cartlidge in South Suffolk and Kemi Badenoch in North West Essex. If the by-election goes ahead, then much will depend on what the Conservatives decide to do.
 
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Restore are not standing as they won't want to boost Farage's ego. All the main parties should do the same then Farage will be known as the MP who narrowly beat Binface as I am sure even in Clacton there will be a large anti Farage feeling even if it isn't the majority.
What I especially like about Restore's announcement is their confidence that their will be a second (recall) by-election - in which they have said they will stand. NF isn't stupid, but he's vain and he's a gambler. This is a double or quits shot for him, where he knows that if he loses, his balloon will have burst.
 

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All the main parties should do the same then Farage will be known as the MP who narrowly beat Binface as I am sure even in Clacton there will be a large anti Farage feeling even if it isn't the majority.
Honestly, this might be the smartest tactic, which can only mean Labour will almost certainly stand in the constituency.

Jokes aside this is one of those things where you can only win by doing nothing. Some will argue that this proves the establishment don't care enough about Clacton to offer them a choice of representatives and that they are scared of Nigel Farage, but Labour are unlikely to win there anyway and could at least have a chance at reframing the narrative that he is merely winner-by-default, not the man who took on Westminster and won.
 

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Just think - Burnham needn't have nudged a sympathetic MP to stand down in a confected by-election, when he could have just run against Farage in his own confected by-election, thus proving he can "beat Reform" ;)
 

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Whoever stands against Farage will have a field day talking about how many times he has been back to Clacton in the last two years, and how many times he has voted in the commons. If you are not doing that then you are not representing your constituents.

Follow that up with all the money that has been donated by dodgy geezers.

Then you can pick apart his manifesto.
 

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Honestly, this might be the smartest tactic, which can only mean Labour will almost certainly stand in the constituency.
I know you are joking but I doubt Labour will stand. I think such a decision needs approval from the NEC iirc ( I haven't checked my labour rules for a while)
 

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Labour, the Conservatives, the Liberal Democrats, the Green Party and Restore Britain have all ruled out contesting the Clacton by-election triggered by the resignation of Nigel Farage.

None of the major parties are standing, according to the BBC News channel. So it needs a Martyn Bell type of candidate, or Count Binface it is.
 
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None of the major parties are standing, according to the BBC News channel. So it needs a Martyn Bell type of candidate, or Count Binface it is.

Green Party are going to stand by the sound of it. It would not suprise me if they did given they stood in 2008 at Haltemprice and Howden.

Having a joint Martin Bell style candidate could be a mixed blessing as such a candidate may win but at the same time it would promote the idea that Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are part of the so called "uniparty".
 

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None of the major parties are standing, according to the BBC News channel. So it needs a Martyn Bell type of candidate, or Count Binface it is.

Even though I don’t live in Clacton (I do have family connections though), I’m fully onboard with his statement from the Sky News feed.

Serial by-election candidate Count Binface has echoed Davey's call, writing on X: "Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and Greens: I demand you stand down in Clacton. I will be a unity candidate and pledge to build at least one affordable house.
 

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I know you are joking but I doubt Labour will stand. I think such a decision needs approval from the NEC iirc ( I haven't checked my labour rules for a while)
Well consider my humbled, because Labour allegedly aren't standing now, which if true really does fill me with joy.
 

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How Count Binface and the Greens do. Will give an idea, of the future prospects of Reform. In the 1945 General Elections, the other parties did not stand against Winston Churchill in Epping. There was an independent, who received 15000 votes. Which gave a good indication of the likely General Election result.
 

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It would probably suit Farage to lose the by-election. He could earn money elsewhere but still stay in the public eye. He could legitimately continue to broadcast on GB News, write his weekly columns, and not have the distraction of having to deal with constituent issues.

Come the 2029 election, he would stand once more in a suitable seat, be seen as the leader of Reform, and his supporters would get him his role as Prime Minister.
 

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I'm glad the main parties are choosing it to stand a candidate. Hopefully green follow their lead.

Could we see his vote cut dispite no opposition?

This may be an interesting one to watch.
 

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Farage's £5m has been reported to the National Crime Agency over money laundering concerns:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...d-to-uk-agency-over-money-laundering-concerns

The £5m gift to Nigel Farage by a cryptocurrency billionaire was reported to the National Crime Agency by bankers who were concerned it may have been laundered money, the Guardian can reveal.

The disclosure will put further pressure on the Reform UK leader, who is awaiting a decision by the standards commissioner over whether his failure to declare the money breached parliamentary rules.


Farage was given a deadline of 1pm on Tuesday to respond to the Guardian about this article. He gave a video address at 2pm announcing he would force a byelection in his seat of Clacton-on-Sea.

That attempt to shake off the deepening scandal over his finances appeared to have backfired on Tuesday night as the Conservatives, Labour, Restore Britain and the Lib Dems all announced that they would not stand candidates in a contest described as a “media circus” and “vanity project”.

If Farage is reelected, he is still likely to face the parliamentary investigation and any reprimand that might follow.

The Guardian first revealed in April that Farage had been given £5m by the Reform donor Christopher Harborne.

Since then Farage has given differing explanations over what the money was for, and insisted he had no obligation to disclose it because he was not a politician at the time, claiming it had no bearing on his decision to stand in the 2024 general election.

However, the latest Guardian investigation will raise fresh questions over the gift.

According to financial industry sources, Farage received at least some of the £5m after he had announced on 23 May 2024 that he was not going to stand for parliament, saying it was “not the right time for me”. The balance of the £5m was received after he had ruled himself out, and shortly before he said he would run for the seat of Clacton in Essex.

The disclosure of the £5m gift has led to the biggest crisis of Farage’s political career.

In correspondence with the Guardian, Harborne’s lawyers have claimed Farage received the money on 5 April 2024. They did not provide a substantive response to detailed questions on the gift and a suspicious activity report (SAR) to the NCA. Instead they asked for a copy of any documents in the Guardian’s possession.

In one of the letters sent to the Guardian, Farage said he did not know about the SAR. He added: “I have no reason to doubt the ultimate source of the money.”

He also repeated unsubstantiated accusations that the information had been “illegally obtained” by this newspaper.

Farage has said he was not in politics at the time, and claimed that meant he was under no obligation to disclose it. But within weeks – on 1 May 2024 – he became “a person of significant control” for Reform’s corporate entity, meaning he effectively owned and controlled the party. He was also honorary president of the party from March 2021 until June 2024.

Farage did not notify the parliamentary authorities about the gift, but came to the notice of bankers, who were not satisfied they could trace the ultimate origin of the funds.

Banks pay particular attention to the transactions involving so-called “politically exposed persons” because they are deemed to be at greater risk of bribery, corruption or other criminality.

Harborne’s involvement with cryptocurrencies also makes him higher risk in banking terms, as it is harder to track the wealth of individuals who transfer sums in and out of cryptocurrencies.

In this case, the Guardian understands bankers raised a suspicious activity report (SAR) over the gift on 16 May 2024 with the NCA. An SAR is not proof of wrongdoing – rather it is an invitation for the agency to examine the transaction to decide whether there are grounds to investigate it further. It is not the same as a crime report.

By mid-May, Farage had not received the full £5m, according to sources, and transfers were still not completed by 22 May, when he publicly ruled himself out of standing for parliament.

The cynical view is this by-election stunt is a dead cat move to try and suppress this development.
 

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Come the 2029 election, he would stand once more in a suitable seat, be seen as the leader of Reform, and his supporters would get him his role as Prime Minister.
I will have some of what you are smoking.
 

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I'm glad the main parties are choosing it to stand a candidate. Hopefully green follow their lead.

Could we see his vote cut dispite no opposition?

This may be an interesting one to watch.
If everyone else sits out there wouldn't need to be a by-election, nothing will have changed and this will then have been a very successful attention seeking exercise by NF.

Assuming there is a by-election without the majority of the usual parties, it will be interesting to see what the turnout will be. It could be a long quiet day for the staff at the Polling Stations.
 

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How Count Binface and the Greens do. Will give an idea, of the future prospects of Reform. In the 1945 General Elections, the other parties did not stand against Winston Churchill in Epping. There was an independent, who received 15000 votes. Which gave a good indication of the likely General Election result.

Difficult to say with Countbinface. He has got a lot of media attention today but at the end of the day he is still a saterical candidate which will put many voters off. Sure, policies such as bringing back Ceefax and space bridges are funny at the end of the day the satirical politics will likely put most potential voters off.

Rejoin EU, Volt UK, the SDP (not the gang of 4 version), the English Democrats and others will also likely stand. I reckon Your Party and the Workers Party may stand as well.
 

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Assuming there is a by-election without the majority of the usual parties, it will be interesting to see what the turnout will be. It could be a long quiet day for the staff at the Polling Stations.
They'll be used to it, as it'll be the same people who do the local elections.

When I worked for my local council many years ago, myself and a colleague who I was friends with outside work used to get ourselves allocated to a polling station together so at least we could have a chat. We also used to play a betting game where we predicted what roll number the next voter would be at 10p a go...
 

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Is it possible that they could reject his resignation until after the investigation he's trying to dodge?
 

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If he is returned as an MP the investigation continues. Nothing changes. He isn't in a position to dictate the terms of his employment as an MP.
I understand that, but could they turn around and say we are not accepting your resignation until after the investigation so in the meantime you are still MP of Clacton or do they have to accept it as he's resigned today?
 

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Is it possible that they could reject his resignation until after the investigation he's trying to dodge?
Possible to be rejected but unlikely . last a time was around 1860.
If he is returned as an MP the investigation continues. Nothing changes. He isn't in a position to dictate the terms of his employment as an MP.

Members of Parliament (MPs) are elected office-holders rather than employees.
 

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Is it possible that they could reject his resignation until after the investigation he's trying to dodge?

In theory yes, as MPs don't technically resign as such they are appointed to an office for profit under the Crown, which of course disqualifies them from sitting as an MP. This time around he would be appointed as the Steward of the Manor of Northstead as the previous one (Josh Simons) was the Steward to the Chiltern Hundreds.

It's the job of the Chancellor to appoint them but thus far I haven't seen any suggestion of his appointment as Steward of the Manor of Northstead being refused by the Chancellor.

Interestingly, Ed Davey tweeted earlier calling for his resignation to be blocked.

@EdwardJDavey


The Government must block Nigel Farage’s resignation until the Standards Commissioner finishes investigating him. The people of Clacton deserve the full facts. If a by-election does go ahead, all parties should stand aside. We cannot give oxygen to this vanity project. https://x.com/EdwardJDavey/status/2074528868648493349
 

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This is nothing but a dead cat throw to try and take back control of the narrative surrounding the various bungs (that us plebs know of) he's gotten and the fallout of their public disclosure, nothing more.

I could also call it a huge waste of public money (nothing new with Reform there), a self-aggrandizing circus, a self-marytring parade, a clattering self-own, a thin-skinned hissy fit, an old narcissist yelling at the clouds establishment...

I could go on, but if I spend too much time thinking or talking about this little weasel, I break out in hives; he gets under my skin that much.

It would probably suit Farage to lose the by-election. He could earn money elsewhere but still stay in the public eye. He could legitimately continue to broadcast on GB News, write his weekly columns, and not have the distraction of having to deal with constituent issues.

Come the 2029 election, he would stand once more in a suitable seat, be seen as the leader of Reform, and his supporters would get him his role as Prime Minister.
Am gonna assume you're not being serious here, but if you are...

If he can't handle the media questioning him about this - and fairly politely too - without melting down in true Trumpian fashion, what honestly makes one think he could handle the constant media attention that comes with being PM? If he had to endure the same level of questions and scrutiny as, say, Starmer, he would've literally melted within 2 months.

Put simply, he helped create the toxic media environment we see in this country today that constantly attacks politicians of all stripes, deservedly so or otherwise, but he completely melts down when they start looking into his decidedly dodgy financial dealings, saying it's no-one's business. The double-standards and stinking hypocrisy is borderline suffocating, but par of the course with narcissists of Clacton Quisling's ilk.

I greatly look forward to this blowing up in his face one way or another.
 
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They'll be used to it, as it'll be the same people who do the local elections.

When I worked for my local council many years ago, myself and a colleague who I was friends with outside work used to get ourselves allocated to a polling station together so at least we could have a chat. We also used to play a betting game where we predicted what roll number the next voter would be at 10p a go...
I did around 25 years here in Inverness, about 20 with the same Poll Clerk who knew the routine so well it just went like clockwork, she was great company and so good at chatting to the old dears who weren't too sure what to do.

Glad we had a busy Polling Station, the long day would really drag in one in a small village or if you were with someone devoid of humour. One of my work colleagues was in a small village hall with his son for several elections, they took a football to have a kick around, not sure if they used the polling booths as goalposts though.
 

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He isn't in a position to dictate the terms of his employment as an MP.
He seems to be trying to set his own T&Cs. Who’d have thought Farage would try and sell the nation an alternative version of the facts?

Parliamentary standards are a far higher bar than Farage’s ‘Nothing illegal’ in his woeful ‘what me guv?’ this afternoon.
 

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