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TfGM Bee Network - fleet discussion

mayneway

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Perhaps one observation (and maybe they reference this internally) is that they don't put it into context as to WHY it is in that livery? Might be a bit mystifying for the regular punters to see a bus in a livery that disappeared years ago.

Yep agree and ironically the amount of people, enthusiasts, bus driver colleagues and the public who are completely confused by the QS prefix’s next to the fleet numbers shows it’s lost on most people.

First Rochdale have just revealed their ‘pride bus’ which looks pretty smart and still incorporates the Bee network and TFGM logos - in my opinion having the Bee Network branding is key!
 
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Yep agree and ironically the amount of people, enthusiasts, bus driver colleagues and the public who are completely confused by the QS prefix’s next to the fleet numbers shows it’s lost on most people.

First Rochdale have just revealed their ‘pride bus’ which looks pretty smart and still incorporates the Bee network and TFGM logos - in my opinion having the Bee Network branding is key!
On the flip side, for decades we've had buses going around in all over advertising liveries, and everyone's coped.
 
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I think most will argue that priority should always be given to making service, and if the only option is a bus with no branding than so be it,tatty or not! I just find it slightly ironic that they have allowed a bus into regular service with no Bee network branding whatsoever, given it’s normally a finable offence.

Bus does look good though - and just to add I worked at QS for many years so it’s good they are marking the milestone.
There's at least two Metroline BYD's with advertising wraps that don't have any Bee Network branding on the front.
If it can be done for adverts it's not much of a stretch to do it for heritage liveries.
 

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There's at least two Metroline BYD's with advertising wraps that don't have any Bee Network branding on the front.
If it can be done for adverts it's not much of a stretch to do it for heritage liveries.
I think there is too much handwringing in the enthusiast world over things that are non standard (trains are the same). Most folk don't look at the colour, they just see a bus. I drove 1451 (NJA 568W) back from Queens Road on Saturday afternoon and the number of folk putting their hand out for it was truly comical!

Photo attached (mine) for those who may not have ever seen it...
 

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I think there is too much handwringing in the enthusiast world over things that are non standard (trains are the same). Most folk don't look at the colour, they just see a bus. I drove 1451 (NJA 568W) back from Queens Road on Saturday afternoon and the number of folk putting their hand out for it was truly comical!

Photo attached (mine) for those who may not have ever seen it...
Still think it's a shame the Bee Network isn't that colour...
 

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I think there is too much handwringing in the enthusiast world over things that are non standard (trains are the same). Most folk don't look at the colour, they just see a bus. I drove 1451 (NJA 568W) back from Queens Road on Saturday afternoon and the number of folk putting their hand out for it was truly comical!

Photo attached (mine) for those who may not have ever seen it...
Im not surprised to hear that. I drove for Yorkshire Hreitage Bus across the North of England and inspite of all the vehicles being halfcab deckers or saloons peolpe would still put there arms out.
 

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Bustimes is showing Go North West's 3426 to 3433 all being on the 163, meaning that they wont get the ex Vantage B5LH Gemini 3s. However, 3063 and 3068 ex Guided have also moved to Heywood, so are they intending for a half/half ish split between StreetDecks and Evosetis.
And also what will happen to the 25 ex Vantage buses, I heard a PVR increase for some Bolton services
 

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Bustimes is showing Go North West's 3426 to 3433 all being on the 163, meaning that they wont get the ex Vantage B5LH Gemini 3s. However, 3063 and 3068 ex Guided have also moved to Heywood, so are they intending for a half/half ish split between StreetDecks and Evosetis.
And also what will happen to the 25 ex Vantage buses, I heard a PVR increase for some Bolton services
I don’t think it was ever mentioned the vantage ones would move to the 163. It’s already reported further up the thread they will move to regular services at Bolton which some have already done so.

3409 is another working out of Nelson Street, Bolton - don’t forget, Heywood is now closed.
 

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I don’t think it was ever mentioned the vantage ones would move to the 163. It’s already reported further up the thread they will move to regular services at Bolton which some have already done so.

3409 is another working out of Nelson Street, Bolton - don’t forget, Heywood is now closed.
Surprised Weston Street haven’t taken over the 163s and leave Nelson Street to do schools.
 

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I find it odd that the B9s with guided wheels are still on the V1/V2 where as some of the BL5s which are Vantage spec have been displaced. Surely the B9s would go first!
 

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I find it odd that the B9s with guided wheels are still on the V1/V2 where as some of the BL5s which are Vantage spec have been displaced. Surely the B9s would go first!
I *think* 3301/2 are still out, could it be one of those you saw?

There is a steady trickle of new 23** buses entering service but also a stready trickle coming off with teething issues, so its a balance at the moment.
 

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On the flip side, for decades we've had buses going around in all over advertising liveries, and everyone's coped.
I guess that's sort of obvious - it's advertising something.

It's far from the first time we've had this but I sort of wonder what's the point of a heritage livery if it doesn't have context? I remember that when Yorkshire Rider did it, they did have a strapline to explain it.
 

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I was thinking myself today same as the above posters, a nice ex Vantage Gemini on the 562 which is a hell of an upgrade from those tired looking Enviros but then in the same breath there's a B9 on the busway! Passengers must be disappointed
 

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I was thinking myself today same as the above posters, a nice ex Vantage Gemini on the 562 which is a hell of an upgrade from those tired looking Enviros but then in the same breath there's a B9 on the busway! Passengers must be disappointed
It appears that the B9TLs has now unfortunately been taken out of service from Vantage routes. So what you'll have seen was likely a B5TL.
 

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There's at least two Metroline BYD's with advertising wraps that don't have any Bee Network branding on the front.
If it can be done for adverts it's not much of a stretch to do it for heritage liveries.
Yep seen them, not sure why the fronts have been done as it was always stated that the fronts couldn’t be touched and must remain standard.
 

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Something that I don't think has been mentioned is that 3 or more of the ex First E400s have now transferred from Bryn Depot to Denton Depot as I've been seeing them heading dead back to Depot from morning School duties near me.
 

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It appears that the B9TLs has now unfortunately been taken out of service from Vantage routes. So what you'll have seen was likely a B5TL.

It was an LJ61 at the start so definitely a B9, only stood out in my head because they are (were) my regular on the 163. They won't be missed I don't think
 
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Route One is reporting that a location has been identified for the new depot in Stockport - at Heathside Park Road which is about two miles away from the current depot. All being well it will open in 2029.

 

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Route One is reporting that a location has been identified for the new depot in Stockport - at Heathside Park Road which is about two miles away from the current depot. All being well it will open in 2029.

A poster on Facebook has also showed two pictures of a new bus depot for Wigan, near 3 Challenge Way, Martland Park, Wigan. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1607791126412543/posts/2415688318956149/
 

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A poster on Facebook has also showed two pictures of a new bus depot for Wigan, near 3 Challenge Way, Martland Park, Wigan. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1607791126412543/posts/2415688318956149/
I'm pretty sure that is from before franchising began. There was early rumours that Stagecoach was going to keep hold of Wigan (remember they initally fought franchising and this was during the spat) so TfGM sought land and a depot building and i'm pretty sure this was it.

Obviously, in the end, Stagecoach backed down and did quite well out of it all...

Also, Wigan is such a huge expanse, it is ripe for charging points as there is so much room...
 

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Route One is reporting that a location has been identified for the new depot in Stockport - at Heathside Park Road which is about two miles away from the current depot. All being well it will open in 2029.

Presumably the site marked as Lex Autolease on Google maps, alongside the M60 slip road
 

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Someone's been asking that would it affect the 35 as it stops at Bryn in the evenings.
I would guess so, as looking at the buses that operate these Bryn services, they dont do any other trips so its whether tfgm thinks its useful for passengers for the 35s to still go to Bryn or not
 

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Forgot to mention, on Friday afternoon one of Stagecoach Manchesters E100evs was being low loaded up the M61 in the Preston direction.
 

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Does anyone know if GNW has retired their Volvo B9TL fleet? Non have been active since the 15th with quite a few showing no use since the 10th.

The 2 Volvo B5TL Gemini 3s are still active though on the V1 and V2 but I expect these will come off and go elsewhere where depending on GNW plans. There was one Volvo B5LH EvoSeti tracking on the V1 yesterday so it’ll only be be a matter of time before these are shifted over to the 163 service I assume.
 
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GNW 6177 was parked up on Princess Street, facing St Peter's Square, around 16:50 yesterday, displaying 'Contract'.
Assumed this was being converted into a driver trainer like similar 6178 (now 9013), obvs not
 

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