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Great Northern Fleet - 379s introduction

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bramling said:
The 379s are a fundamentally decent train and inherently suitable for GN.
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Absolutely this, they really are rather lovely trains in many ways and actually ride slightly better over the Fens than 387s - probably due to having less weight as no DC equipment and shoe gear. Of course, this is all relative as Electrostar suspension is firmer than many other types of train (I always think of them as in "Sport" mode).
bramling said:
partly because politicians allowed them to be stored for too long
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100% this - the best analogy I have for when people ask why they had so many issues being introduced is "Would you park a car up for 3+ years, outside, in the open elements and expect it to perform as if it's just rolled out of the factory?"

Fortunately, a lot of hard work is going into fixing some of their current eccentricities, and it's bearing good results! But there are noticeable differences between 379s and other classes of the Electrostar family when it comes to MiTrac (the Train Management System), some of which requiring input from Alstom.
 
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bramling said:
Incidentally, can anyone comment as to whether 387s and 379s have the same traction package, or whether there is a difference? I can’t decide if the traction motors sound the same or not, the 387s seem to have a slightly more distinctive whine to them.
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For all intents and purposes, the traction packages and motors are essentially identical on the 379 and 387. Software levels are ever so slightly different, but hardware the same. Pretty difficult to tell the difference between a 379 under power and a 387 on AC doing the same thing (other than perhaps the age of components, stage of the overhaul cycles etc).
 
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Updating this weeks move of 012 and 013 from Worksop to HE. Which means there are now no 379 at Worksop.
So 001-010 and 016-029 are all in service with GTR. 011- 015 are at HE but have not yet been in passinger service with GTR and 030 is at Selhurst.

UNIT STATUESFirst day of service with GTR
001in service with GTR based at HE25 May 25
002in service with GTR based at HE10 Feb 25
003in service with GTR based at HE19 Sep 25
004in service with GTR based at HE08 Oct 25
005in service with GTR based at HE16 Sep 25
006in service with GTR based at HE?
007in service with GTR based at HE17 Oct 25
008in service with GTR based at HE10 Oct 25
009in service with GTR based at HE13 Mar 26
010in service with GTR based at HE12 May 25
011At Hornsey but not in passenger service
012At Hornsey but not in passenger service
013At Hornsey but not in passenger service
014At Hornsey but not in passenger service
015At Hornsey but not in passenger service
016in service with GTR based at HE05 Mar 25
017in service with GTR based at HE12 May 25
018in service with GTR based at HE25 Oct 25
019in service with GTR based at HE02 Dec 25
020in service with GTR based at HE25 Mar 25
021in service with GTR based at HE17 Nov 25
022in service with GTR based at HE10 Feb 25
023in service with GTR based at HE25 Mar 25
024in service with GTR based at HE20 May 25
025in service with GTR based at HE25 May 25
026in service with GTR based at HE02 Feb 25
027in service with GTR based at HE13 May 25
028in service with GTR based at HE19 May 25
029in service with GTR based at HE29 Mar 25
030At Selhurst
 
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windjabbers said:
Updating this weeks move of 012 and 013 from Worksop to HE. Which means there are now no 379 at Worksop.
So 001-010 and 016-029 are all in service with GTR. 011- 015 are at HE but have not yet been in passinger service with GTR and 030 is at Selhurst.

UNIT STATUESFirst day of service with GTR
001in service with GTR based at HE25 May 25
002in service with GTR based at HE10 Feb 25
003in service with GTR based at HE19 Sep 25
004in service with GTR based at HE08 Oct 25
005in service with GTR based at HE16 Sep 25
006in service with GTR based at HE?
007in service with GTR based at HE17 Oct 25
008in service with GTR based at HE10 Oct 25
009in service with GTR based at HE13 Mar 26
010in service with GTR based at HE12 May 25
011At Hornsey but not in passenger service
012At Hornsey but not in passenger service
013At Hornsey but not in passenger service
014At Hornsey but not in passenger service
015At Hornsey but not in passenger service
016in service with GTR based at HE05 Mar 25
017in service with GTR based at HE12 May 25
018in service with GTR based at HE25 Oct 25
019in service with GTR based at HE02 Dec 25
020in service with GTR based at HE25 Mar 25
021in service with GTR based at HE17 Nov 25
022in service with GTR based at HE10 Feb 25
023in service with GTR based at HE25 Mar 25
024in service with GTR based at HE20 May 25
025in service with GTR based at HE25 May 25
026in service with GTR based at HE02 Feb 25
027in service with GTR based at HE13 May 25
028in service with GTR based at HE19 May 25
029in service with GTR based at HE29 Mar 25
030At Selhurst
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379006 First day in GN service was 18/05/2025
 
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Looks like a shortage of 379s (and possibly 387s) today, 1T15 (8.15 Kings Lynn - Kings Cross) was only a 4 car (379003) and failed at Brookmans Park.
 
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317 forever said:
I reckon they still have Greater Anglia interiors and livery. Are they likely to be refurbished in due course?
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Presumably they will get the “aurora” works done at some point, however I don’t imagine much else being done. It’s possible they may tinker with the position of first class, although this isn’t something that can be easily done as - unlike other Electrostars - the seats differ.
 
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I seriously hope they don't do much to the lovely 1st class seats on these.

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Electrostar387 said:
But there are noticeable differences between 379s and other classes of the Electrostar family when it comes to MiTrac (the Train Management System), some of which requiring input from Alstom.
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Does this have to do with the issues surrounding splitting and joining them at Cambridge?
 
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rmHawk765 said:
I seriously hope they don't do much to the lovely 1st class seats on these.

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Does this have to do with the issues surrounding splitting and joining them at Cambridge?
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Shouldn't do really, it's fundamentally the same process for splitting and attaching across the Electrostar fleet regardless of the version/type of TMS they run on.

I think a bigger issue was the fly-doors being stiff initially, but these have naturally loosened up the more they've been used, and some of the couplers/coupler blocks being a tad uncooperative! If you get chance to observe them out and about now, a lot of the coupler blocks have been either replaced or serviced, which has also made a difference. As an aside, some 379s are now running around with nice new bogies!
 
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Great Northern Fleet - 379s introduction

The 379s are a fundamentally decent train and inherently suitable for GN. Absolutely this, they really are rather lovely trains in many ways and actually ride slightly better over the Fens than 387s - probably due to having less weight as no DC equipment and shoe gear. Of course, this is all...
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Reported earlier on this thread
 
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On this basis, can anybody advise roughly when 007 & 008 entered service with GN please?
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Great Northern Fleet - 379s introduction

The 379s are a fundamentally decent train and inherently suitable for GN. Absolutely this, they really are rather lovely trains in many ways and actually ride slightly better over the Fens than 387s - probably due to having less weight as no DC equipment and shoe gear. Of course, this is all...
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Here is the lastest update

UNIT STATUESFirst day of service with GTR
001in service with GTR based at HE25 May 25
002in service with GTR based at HE10 Feb 25
003in service with GTR based at HE19 Sep 25
004in service with GTR based at HE08 Oct 25
005in service with GTR based at HE16 Sep 25
006in service with GTR based at HE08 May 25
007in service with GTR based at HE17 Oct 25
008in service with GTR based at HE10 Oct 25
009in service with GTR based at HE13 Mar 26
010in service with GTR based at HE12 May 25
011At Hornsey but not in passenger service
012At Ferme Park, but not in passenger service
013At Ferme Park, but not in passenger service
014At Hornsey but not in passenger service
015At Ferme Park, but not in passenger service
016in service with GTR based at HE05 Mar 25
017in service with GTR based at HE12 May 25
018in service with GTR based at HE25 Oct 25
019in service with GTR based at HE02 Dec 25
020in service with GTR based at HE25 Mar 25
021in service with GTR based at HE17 Nov 25
022in service with GTR based at HE10 Feb 25
023in service with GTR based at HE25 Mar 25
024in service with GTR based at HE20 May 25
025in service with GTR based at HE25 May 25
026in service with GTR based at HE02 Feb 25
027in service with GTR based at HE13 May 25
028in service with GTR based at HE19 May 25
029in service with GTR based at HE29 Mar 25
030At Hornsey but not in passenger service
 
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I don't belive there has been any change is the statue of 011-015 and 030. They remain yet to be used in service with GTR and the rest 001-010 and 016-029 remain in operation. Welcome any updates. BW David
 
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Updated to reflect that 011 has entered service. Not aware of any other changes.

UNIT STATUESFirst day of service with GTR
001in service with GTR based at HE25 May 25
002in service with GTR based at HE10 Feb 25
003in service with GTR based at HE19 Sep 25
004in service with GTR based at HE08 Oct 25
005in service with GTR based at HE16 Sep 25
006in service with GTR based at HE08 May 25
007in service with GTR based at HE17 Oct 25
008in service with GTR based at HE10 Oct 25
009in service with GTR based at HE13 Mar 26
010in service with GTR based at HE12 May 25
011in service with GTR based at HE18 May 26
012At Ferme Park, but not in passenger service
013At Ferme Park, but not in passenger service
014At Hornsey but not in passenger service
015At Ferme Park, but not in passenger service
016in service with GTR based at HE05 Mar 25
017in service with GTR based at HE12 May 25
018in service with GTR based at HE25 Oct 25
019in service with GTR based at HE02 Dec 25
020in service with GTR based at HE25 Mar 25
021in service with GTR based at HE17 Nov 25
022in service with GTR based at HE10 Feb 25
023in service with GTR based at HE25 Mar 25
024in service with GTR based at HE20 May 25
025in service with GTR based at HE25 May 25
026in service with GTR based at HE02 Feb 25
027in service with GTR based at HE13 May 25
028in service with GTR based at HE19 May 25
029in service with GTR based at HE29 Mar 25
030At Hornsey but not in passenger service
 
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Been another couple of weeks - not aware that there have been any changes with 012 - 015 and 030 still to see passinger serivce.

As an aside the external condition of some of these units is really quite poor, wonder if there is any plan to address this? BW David
 
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windjabbers said:
Been another couple of weeks - not aware that there have been any changes with 012 - 015 and 030 still to see passinger serivce.
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379014 and 030 are both together on an outside road at Hornsey, and don’t seem to have seen or be seeing any activity. There doesn’t seem to be any rush to get these into service. Fortunately, reliability and availability seems to have improved now compared to a few months ago. They seem to be turning out 21/25 now.

Doesn’t seem to be any sign of 387101 either.
 
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379s continue to make commuting a massive pain. Currently sat at Cambridge on one that I expect to be cancelled in 5 minutes making me 30 minutes late again.

What actually is the situation with making them fit for purpose? Because they obviously aren't now, and from the announcements they give the drivers certainly think so.

Oh for the 387s back. <(
 
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bramling said:
379014 and 030 are both together on an outside road at Hornsey, and don’t seem to have seen or be seeing any activity. There doesn’t seem to be any rush to get these into service. Fortunately, reliability and availability seems to have improved now compared to a few months ago. They seem to be turning out 21/25 now.

Doesn’t seem to be any sign of 387101 either.
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7101 is at Hornsey.
It has some more software updates and bits to be done on it before it goes out for more network testing.
 
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