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Passports Required from 28 September for Ferry Travel Republic of Ireland to Great Britain
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phil1960
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An interesting reply from UK Border Force for my FoI request regarding this topic. I based my question on the way Stena worded it to make it sound like a change to government policy
Steddenm
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I'm confused over the FOI response. So, Stena Line and Irish Ferries are those requesting passports for cross-Irish Sea transfers, rather than Border Force (or whatever they're called now) as the FOI only states Holyhead and Fishguard routes. What about Liverpool-Dublin (P&O, I think), Heysham-Dublin (SteamPacket) and Heysham-Dublin/Warrenpoint (Stena/SeaTruck), do they not require a passport?
Liverpool Dublin has been scrapped in 23
No passport needed to travel on SteamPacket but as local @Tetchytyke said that may happen
For the freight only routes, I would be surprised if most truck drivers don’t carry their passports anyways
bangor-toad
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A few years ago I used the SeaTruck service quite often. Each ferry could take a maximum of 12 drivers and there was an absolute requirement to provide your details and to have a valid passport. It never seemed unreasonable and drivers doing long international runs would have their passports with them anyway.
Technically I suppose that it is a (very) rare case of needing to show a passport for a fully UK domestic trip (Warrenpoint <--> Heysham) but it never seemed an imposition. I suspect there's probably some international standards / law that governs what's needed.
Cheers,
Mr Toad
Trainbike46
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P&O did close Liverpool-Dublin.
Stena then opened Liverpool(Birkenhead)-Dublin shortly after, so the service effectively still exists, just with a different operator at a different Merseyside port.
Flying Snail
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Stena Dublin Liverpool is unaccompanied freight only, as is CLDN (formerly Seatruck), P&O was freight and cars but no foot passengers.
Tetchytyke
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The actual policy won’t have changed. The ferry company need to provide accurate information. That’s always been the requirement.
What will have changed is whether UKBF still consider the ferry company to be providing accurate information if they don’t verify it.
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The Dublin route is currently not in operation. But our government are consulting on whether the Steam Packet should require ID for all crossings. The reason for this isn’t migration, though, it’s due to increasing County Lines issues in the island. Liverpool organised crime groups are using the place as a bolt hole.
UKBF aren’t responsible for immigration in the Isle of Man, the Isle of Man government is.
185143
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Off topic, but given you've said it twice and you're a resident of the Isle of Man IIRC, I thought I'd ask.
Is the IoM like Orkney and Shetland where locals refer to the area as a whole, ie "in Orkney" rather than "in the Orkneys" as of course there are multiple islands up there, but the locals very much insist on the singular name of Orkney or Shetland, or Orkney Islands and Shetland Islands, and will refer to the Islands effectively as a singular county rather than as a group? So "I live in Shetland" for example.
Tetchytyke
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In versus on is interesting from a linguistic point of view. The Isle of Man is a semi-autonomous nation so I say I live in the Isle of Man (the place) rather than on the Isle of Man (the island). Same way that people may say they live in Great Britain (the place) rather than on Great Britain (the island).
The Isle of Man also consists of more than one island, but only the Isle of Man is inhabited.
Just don’t refer to the UK as the mainland!
Isn't it across?
Indeed there is no policy change: Stena only have to provide the requested information to UK Border Force for UK / Irish citizens "to the extent to which the carrier processes the information in the ordinary course of their business or under its terms and conditions of carriage".
Why Stena have chosen to amend their T&C to require this additional information and frame the change as if it were a new requirement from UK Border Force is unclear.
Tetchytyke
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Yes, or occasionally the adjacent island.
Oh UKBF will have told them to do it, have no doubt about that. Irish Ferries made the same change at the same time.
The policy itself will not have changed. But UKBF’s opinion as to whether Stena and Irish Ferries were properly complying with that policy will have changed. And if UKBF give you a nod and a wink that you might need to beef something up, it takes a brave company to not do so!
75A
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I live in Co.Down (In sight of the I.O.Man) and everyone refers to it as the mainland.
THC
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Assuming that "it" refers to GB, this implies that you live in a mainly protestant/unionist part of Co. Down. You'll know that such a description is rarely used in a nationalist area but others here may not appreciate that.
THC
75A
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Not really, Downpatrick is our 'Postal Town' which I'd say is more nationlist and most people call it Derry or more commonly 'Slash City'.
AHBD
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