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Can people just pay by card instead of using cash?

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When I went there and placed my order, I was told that they didn't accept cash, so they lost that business.

Couldn't you have just paid by card?
 
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Each to their own but it seems like making life far more difficult than it needs to be.
It's only really car parks that are an issue when you don't have a card. The upside is that I don't have to worry about losing it or being subjected to the many scams out there.
 

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No, because your loss is a fixed amount whereas losing a card means that you could be subject to losses of much larger amounts. I believe that over 5% of the population don't have credit or debit cards.

I'm afraid your figures are on the high side: as far back as 2019 banks were reporting that over 98% of the population had either a debit or credit card, and that number is only likely to have declined since then.

You are, of course, welcome to your own choices (which have obviously served you well enough), but you are something of an outlier in not even having a card of any sort. I know there are plenty of people, mostly older, who prefer to use their card just in specific situations to withdraw cash they use day-to-day, but they do have a card.
 

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I was just relating to an experience where I left my wallet on a bus. Said wallet was found, cards intact (which I'd blocked) but the £30 in cash was gone.

Even my technophobe in-laws have cards though they have had the contactless element deactivated because of an article in the Daily Mail (I kid you not)
 

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No, because your loss is a fixed amount whereas losing a card means that you could be subject to losses of much larger amounts.
You can be, but most banks indemnify you against losses incurred after you report the card lost or stolen and it's also possible to disable both online and contactless use, such that someone would have to know your PIN in order to spend using the card.
 

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Some people find it easier to budget in cash also, as it's more real when you're looking at what's left in the pot so to speak.

I don't personally know anyone who doesn't have a card mind.
 

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I don't personally know anyone who doesn't have a card mind.
Even for people who prefer to budget in cash, having a debit card makes it easier to get said cash in the first place!

Unless for some reason they're being paid cash-in-hand, but that's a discussion for a different thread. ;)
 

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Even for people who prefer to budget in cash, having a debit card makes it easier to get said cash in the first place!
My friend who recently retired finally caved in and got a card as his misses used go give him money on demand, but one long weekend didnt leave him any money when she went away, so couldnt buy anything from the shop or go the pub etc..
I don't personally know anyone who doesn't have a card mind.
My 98 year old Auntie has a debit and credit card and uses them as she is sort of mobile.
 

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I had to go to the cashpoint on Tuesday for my half-yearly visit. What a faff!

I had to:
Locate card at home
put card in pocket
travel to machine
take card from pocket
insert card into machine
PIN
confirm I wanted cash only
confirm I didn’t want to check my balance
Select amount to withdraw
confirm I really didn’t want to check my balance
confirm i didn’t want a receipt
Remove card from machine
put card in pocket
collect cash
put cash in pocket


I then went to Tesco next door, selecting 4 items. Went to till. scanned them.

take phone from pocket
double click phone and put on reader
put phone in pocket
 

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Why is it that non-bank cash machines are intent on getting you to check your balance anyway?
I believe, though I can't remember where I was told this so might be wrong, that they can charge the card issuer a fee for the balance enquiry service.

There's one near me that says something like "Did you know 8 in 10 customers check their balance"?
 

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It’s strange how “freedom of choice” is such a marvellous thing - until that choice is to stick with what you’ve always done.
 

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Why is it that non-bank cash machines are intent on getting you to check your balance anyway?
They are paid a small amount for balance checks. Pretty much everything you do with your card at an ATM or payment point incurs a small fee behind the scenes.
 

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My friend who recently retired finally caved in and got a card as his misses used go give him money on demand, but one long weekend didnt leave him any money when she went away, so couldnt buy anything from the shop or go the pub etc..
That's astonishing!
 

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It’s strange how “freedom of choice” is such a marvellous thing - until that choice is to stick with what you’ve always done.
I think that what "freedom of choice" means (in this context) is
- that people are indeed free to choose to not have any card and run their entire lives on cash
- that traders, car parks, any business or scheme that requires you to pay for something are similarly free to choose what methods of payment to accept (or not) and that can include, at their discretion, no cash.

Put these two together and
- people who make the choice of "no card" are potentially excluding themselves from those services that make a choice of "card only"
- and vice versa.

Both ends of this are equally the product of freedom of choice. I think the point is - if you are someone who has made a "no card" choice then the fact you can't access a "card only" service is of your own doing, and not anyone else's "fault". It's nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of sticking with what you have always done. The world we live in is constantly evolving and we either try to resist that (at our own inconvenience) or we adapt with it.
 

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My own view is that freedom of choice should work both ways. If someone wants to be cash only that's up to them, but similarly a business should be totally free to be card-only to reduce their costs and lower the risk of theft. If the government wants to mandate cash acceptance then businesses should be entitled to charge an appropriate handling fee to cash users. The burden should not fall on the rest of us.

I include car parks in this, provided that they have a contactless ticket machine and cannot insist on using an app if the machines are broken.

It is interesting that some older people have gone the other way in their behaviours. My OAP dad used to be a big cash fan. Since retiring he's actually quite happy to use card, even using it through his smartphone.
No, since I have never owned one, and at my age not likely to get one now.
How do you not have a card? Even the most basic bank accounts, intended for people who are ineligible for the normal basic accounts, come with a debit card these days. Is it even possible to not have one, as you'd need it to access your account in branch or in a post office? Do "cash cards" (that aren't just disguised debit cards) exist at this point?
 
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Even the most basic bank accounts, intended for people who are ineligible for the normal basic accounts, come with a debit card these days.
I ran into some financial difficulties which resulted in me having to close my existing accounts and open a basic account, and yes it did come with a contactless-enabled Visa debit card.
 

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I ran into some financial difficulties which resulted in me having to close my existing accounts and open a basic account, and yes it did come with a contactless-enabled Visa debit card.
Not recent either, I had to apply for one of those types of accounts in 2005, it came with a debit card back then too (not contactless back in those days of course). The only difference was it was a Visa Electron rather than a standard Visa debit card which prevented you going overdrawn but was still accepted virtually everywhere.
 

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Not recent either, I had to apply for one of those types of accounts in 2005, it came with a debit card back then too (not contactless back in those days of course). The only difference was it was a Visa Electron rather than a standard Visa debit card which prevented you going overdrawn but was still accepted virtually everywhere.
Yeah, and don't tend to support offline transactions (e.g. buying food and drink on an EasyJet flight), similarly to prevent the overdraft issue.
 

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No, because your loss is a fixed amount whereas losing a card means that you could be subject to losses of much larger amounts. I believe that over 5% of the population don't have credit or debit cards.

I've lost my wallet a few times in the past, which resulted in me losing around £30 of cash, but I had no losses via card at all. I've stopped carrying cash unless I am going somewhere I know only takes it like the barbershop, as I don't want the risk of losing cash.
The few times I've had unauthorised transactions on my bank account or credit card they have always happened while I've had possession of the physical cards and the bank has always reversed the charges, I've never been out of pocket.
But that lost cash is gone forever.
 

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I think that what "freedom of choice" means (in this context) is
- that people are indeed free to choose to not have any card and run their entire lives on cash
- that traders, car parks, any business or scheme that requires you to pay for something are similarly free to choose what methods of payment to accept (or not) and that can include, at their discretion, no cash.

Put these two together and
- people who make the choice of "no card" are potentially excluding themselves from those services that make a choice of "card only"
- and vice versa.

Both ends of this are equally the product of freedom of choice. I think the point is - if you are someone who has made a "no card" choice then the fact you can't access a "card only" service is of your own doing, and not anyone else's "fault". It's nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of sticking with what you have always done. The world we live in is constantly evolving and we either try to resist that (at our own inconvenience) or we adapt with it.
That's fine and the way that freedom should operate. Mandating the use of a smartphone isn't though, with or without any specific application installed. Forcing anybody to possess and carry a mobile phone for basic needs services is unreasonable.
Theatre, music festivals etc. are lifestyle choice services and not essential so of they choose payment methods that are not readily available to.all, that's their choice. Commercial car parks are often necessary for rail travel and becoming inaccessible through unreasonable demands for card use.
 

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Mandating the use of a smartphone isn't though, with or without any specific application installed.
Agreed. But I suspect that a very small number of businesses *only* support smartphone or app-based transactions.
 

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Yeah, and don't tend to support offline transactions (e.g. buying food and drink on an EasyJet flight), similarly to prevent the overdraft issue.
Natwest/RBS were notorious for handing out proper Visa debits with similar restrictions. My account was opened when I was under 18 and it came with a solo card, so I assume that was why.

Would have been less of a problem had they clearly marked it as such on the card (other than it being a different colour) and made it easy for people to request a switch. I was only able to get an offline card once they launched contactless, as asking for "an online card" just got a response about how the card I had already worked for internet transactions. I wasn't the only one as there were big threads on other forums about it at the time.
 

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Yeah, and don't tend to support offline transactions (e.g. buying food and drink on an EasyJet flight), similarly to prevent the overdraft issue.
By 2016 when I opened my basic account Visa Electron had been retired in the UK so it came with a standard Visa card. The account didn't have an overdraft facility, naturally, but they would allow you to go 'technically' overdrawn by a small amount, though you had to bring the account back into credit as a priority.
 

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Natwest/RBS were notorious for handing out proper Visa debits with similar restrictions. My account was opened when I was under 18 and it came with a solo card, so I assume that was why.

Would have been less of a problem had they clearly marked it as such on the card (other than it being a different colour) and made it easy for people to request a switch. I was only able to get an offline card once they launched contactless, as asking for "an online card" just got a response about how the card I had already worked for internet transactions. I wasn't the only one as there were big threads on other forums about it at the time.
Solo was the Mastercard version of Electron. My CoOp bank card did state Electron on the card when I first had it but branding was changed to standard Visa some time in the early 2010s, but still with the Electron restrictions.

I think the logic was to remove the stigma around using one as it was usually people who had financial problems of some type who had them.
 

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I think the logic was to remove the stigma around using one as it was usually people who had financial problems of some type who had them.
That was part of it, but it also meant less brand confusion. Visa completely retired the Electron sub-brand a couple of years ago.
 

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