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Clueless Rookie RPI Refuses to Identify Himself and Records me

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Isla

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I had an incident on the Mildmay Line earlier where an RPI boarded and asked for tickets to be presented. I was first up.

I assume most people are going to assume that I was on the wrong train and had boarded a train that went outside of the contactless zones, but no. I was 100% on the Mildmay Line.

Instead of moving on after validating my Oyster, he asked to see a physical ticket as well. I explained to him that there are no tickets with Oyster cards and that they work by tapping the reader at your entry station and tapping another reader at your exit station. He wasn't buying this and insisted that without a physical ticket, I was travelling without valid documentation.

I continued trying to explain to him how Oyster Cards work and even showed him a page on Tfl's website where it states 'With pay as you go, you don't need to buy a ticket before you travel.', but this achieved nothing. He then changed his game to pretending I was saying things I had never said and kept talking over me whenever I spoke. At this point, I told him that I would not be engaging in any further conversation with him as it was pointless and I sat there in silence for the remainder of the journey as he berated me.

Upon reaching my destination, I tapped out and spoke to a member of staff on the barrier asking if I could raise a complaint against the inspector, who then appeared round the corner as he had followed me off the train. I asked to see his ID at this point, since nothing was on display and he refused to do so. He then asked for mine and said that I had to provide it when asked as he was going to have me fined for travelling without a ticket. I told him that, unless he identified himself I didn't have to provide him with anything as, for all I knew, he was a member of the public wearing a London Overground jumper.

He then took pictures of me, shoved his phone in my face and began filming me, shortly before BTP arrived (I assume he contacted them when I got off the train). They confirmed with the woman on the barrier that I had paid, had a quick chat with me (mainly taking my complaint) and I left.

I think it's pretty obvious that this was the RPI's first day on the job and hopefully his last.

I do have some questions though:

1. Would that have been his personal phone, or would he have been issued with a work phone?

2. I have asked Tfl to confirm what has been done with the pictures and videos he took in my complaint but, given his behaviour, I don't feel particularly comfortable with him having taken them. However, I assume that since there was no expectation of privacy, he had every right to record me?

3. Am I correct that, since he refused to identify himself, that I wasn't required to identify myself when he wanted to issue a penalty fare?
 
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Are you sure it wasn't a census taker? I can't really imagine a TfL RPI not knowing about contactless

I've encountered a few of these on various TOCs and have found them to be at best utterly clueless and at worst abrasively rude and awkward, so it could have been. Fairly sure I have put in a formal complaint about one before.

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Why would a census taker go to all that effort to try to fine someone rather than get on with the job?

The same reason as some security guards enjoy claiming they have more power than they do, i.e. "peaked cap syndrome"?
 

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Why would a census taker go to all that effort to try to fine someone rather than get on with the job?

I've no idea, but I find a TfL RPI that doesn't know how Oyster works at the most basic level impossible to believe, so I don't think this was an RPI. A scammer as suggested by @Bletchleyite or a miscelleneous nutcase are two other possibilities.
 

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1. Would that have been his personal phone, or would he have been issued with a work phone?

2. I have asked Tfl to confirm what has been done with the pictures and videos he took in my complaint but, given his behaviour, I don't feel particularly comfortable with him having taken them. However, I assume that since there was no expectation of privacy, he had every right to record me?

3. Am I correct that, since he refused to identify himself, that I wasn't required to identify myself when he wanted to issue a penalty fare?
I will reply in good faith.

1. No idea, but it should really be a work phone.

2. You can make a subject access request for all the data, specifically including the data he recorded, and you can ask for them to delete it. They don't have to delete it if they have a legitimate reason for keeping it, but you have the right to request deletion. He had a right to record you but if he was filming you as part of his job then GPDR applies.

3. Sort of. You have a legal obligation to provide your name and address to an authorised officer. But if they refuse to prove that they are an authorised officer, how do you know they're not a scammer?

Sounds very odd, suspicious even. First employ some interesting characters on Overground but nothing to this scale. Could be a census taker, could be a crank, could be a scammer. Definitely get the complaint in ASAP and also mention the data.
 
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This feels very strange given that the vast majority of TFL passengers are using contactless or Oyster, with physical tickets a small minority.

Oyster was introduced 23 years ago, so I can't help but suspect there is more to this than we're given.
 

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Just one more thing to add: the OP is very unlucky when it comes to Overground RPIs...

 

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I've no idea, but I find a TfL RPI that doesn't know how Oyster works at the most basic level impossible to believe, so I don't think this was an RPI. A scammer as suggested by @Bletchleyite or a miscelleneous nutcase are two other possibilities.
At the very least, he must have been a Tfl employee as he had arranged for BTP to be present at my exit station.
 

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At the very least, he must have been a Tfl employee as he had arranged for BTP to be present at my exit station.
How would he have known your exit station, given you had an Oyster card rather than a ticket with a specific station, and you "sat in silence" until you left?
 

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I think that's enough of this thread.

OP has received some suggestions, which I am sure they will take further or not at all.
 
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