In another thread, the following claim was made:
It's not clear if the comparison is with all employees (i.e. including office workers who'd have no greater risk in either organisation than anywhere else) or if it's with particular types of workers, e.g. trackworkers vs miners, or perhaps trackworkers and train crew vs miners, but the comparison appears to be with all workers at the respective employers.
I find it difficult to believe. Many sources rate the coal industry as being a particularly dangerous one to work in, and no such sources say the same about the rail industry during this period.
But that may be relating to major injuries rather than deaths, and indeed during this period the definition / categorisation of injuries changed; this article relates to "major injuries" in the "coal industry" which demonstrates the dangers of comparisons, which may not be on a like-for-like basis:
Many sources refer to work in the coal industry as being particularly dangerous; I can find no similar claims made about working for BR / in the rail industry, but @Belperpete was only referring to deaths, so perhaps that skews it.
Taking 1983 as a comparison point, https://johnbraithwaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/To_Punish_Or_Persuade.pdf (PDF page 7) gives us some information about the number of deaths in the coal mining industry.
www.orr.gov.uk
So for 1983, it seems that 44 died in the coal industry and 28 on the railway, but that doesn't indicate which was more dangerous, as it doesn't account for how many employees there were, which would determine the rate.
But, for rail workers to be at greater risk, there would have to have been proportionately fewer of them than in the coal industry (44/28=64%, so more than 64% fewer), and I can't find any evidence that this is the case.
I am struggling to find a similar figure at BR for 1983, but...
But for BR employees to have a higher chance of death, there would need to be fewer than 64% of the number of Coal Board staff.
I've not spent much time on this, but the claim really didn't seem right to me, so here is a starting point, and maybe others can find some comparison figures to prove or disprove @Belperpete's claim
But is this true?It was a different world back then, and deaths and injuries on the railway were fairly frequent occurrences. You were more likely to be killed on the job working for BR than working for the Coal Board.
It's not clear if the comparison is with all employees (i.e. including office workers who'd have no greater risk in either organisation than anywhere else) or if it's with particular types of workers, e.g. trackworkers vs miners, or perhaps trackworkers and train crew vs miners, but the comparison appears to be with all workers at the respective employers.
I find it difficult to believe. Many sources rate the coal industry as being a particularly dangerous one to work in, and no such sources say the same about the rail industry during this period.
But that may be relating to major injuries rather than deaths, and indeed during this period the definition / categorisation of injuries changed; this article relates to "major injuries" in the "coal industry" which demonstrates the dangers of comparisons, which may not be on a like-for-like basis:
I am struggling to find any comparisons of either major injuries or deaths with the coal board vs BR, but perhaps @Belperpete has access to some statistics that led them to be able to make this claim that I've not found.Major injury rates over the last seven years are not comparable as two legislative changes widened the definition of major injury to include new categories of injury and these increased the number of accidents reported.
The first change was on 1 January 1981 when the Notification of Accidents and Dangerous Occurrences Regulations 1985 (NADO) came into force and the second on 1 April 1986 when the Reporting of Injuries Diseases and Dangerous Occurrences Regulations 1985 (RIDDOR) came into operation.
A more accurate reflection of the accident rate is provided by fatal and total accidents which were unaffected by these changes. The coal mining fatal accidents rate has fallen in this period from 0·08 in 1980 per 100,000 manshifts to 0·05 in 1986–87. The total accident rate has also fallen from 72.66 in 1980 to 45.22 in 1986–87.
Many sources refer to work in the coal industry as being particularly dangerous; I can find no similar claims made about working for BR / in the rail industry, but @Belperpete was only referring to deaths, so perhaps that skews it.
Taking 1983 as a comparison point, https://johnbraithwaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/To_Punish_Or_Persuade.pdf (PDF page 7) gives us some information about the number of deaths in the coal mining industry.
but that's just a number of deaths, not a rate per employee.In Britian [the deathtoll] has dropped ... to 44 in 1982-83
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1983 - 28 railwaymen killed at work
So for 1983, it seems that 44 died in the coal industry and 28 on the railway, but that doesn't indicate which was more dangerous, as it doesn't account for how many employees there were, which would determine the rate.
But, for rail workers to be at greater risk, there would have to have been proportionately fewer of them than in the coal industry (44/28=64%, so more than 64% fewer), and I can't find any evidence that this is the case.
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I guess @Belperpete is including all employees, such as clerical, administrative and support staff at the Coal Board and I can't easily find the figures for these, but various sources suggest around 20,000 to 30,000 of these and a total workforce of over 200,000 at that time.In 1983 there were over 170 pits in the country, employing 187,000,
I am struggling to find a similar figure at BR for 1983, but...
British Railways (Staff) (Hansard, 21 May 1980)
British Railways (Staff) (Hansard, 21 May 1980)
api.parliament.uk
By 1983 this number had reduced; I can't find any exact numbers, but it does seem likely that it was roughly comparable to the numbers employed by the Coal Board.The figure at 22 March 1980 for the Railways Board as a whole, including the subsidiaries, was 240,534. Of these 179,076 were employed in the railway business, 2
But for BR employees to have a higher chance of death, there would need to be fewer than 64% of the number of Coal Board staff.
I've not spent much time on this, but the claim really didn't seem right to me, so here is a starting point, and maybe others can find some comparison figures to prove or disprove @Belperpete's claim