Anyone below 60 now was born after 1966, and therefore only 14 when the student railcard was opened up to all with a 24 years upper limit. Anyone under 60 had a good few years of young person's railcard eligibility, whether or not they were a student.And there wasn't a railcard discount at age 30nwhen I was 30.
They do, but the fact remains that only London and the South East are net contributors, all other regions are net recipients.Before we start off down the "other peoples money" route, I think it's worth remembering that residents of Liverpool and elsewhere pay the full range of taxation, therefore national taxation is their, not "someone elses" money.
(I do wish they'd stop claiming that net contribution to the exchequer is the same thing as net contribution to the economy though)
It is a fair point, but a distinction without a difference. The regional GDP numbers for 2023 are here:
Regional economic activity by gross domestic product, UK - Office for National Statistics
Annual estimates of economic activity by UK country, region and local area using gross domestic product (GDP).
www.ons.gov.uk
Table 1 shows the GDP per head figures for 2023:Regional economic activity by gross domestic product, UK: 1998 to 2023
Annual estimates of economic activity by UK country, region and local area using gross domestic product (GDP).
London £69077
South East £41319
(England average £40382)
South West £35731
North West £35635
East of England £35442
Yorks+Humber £32625
West Midlands £32077
East Midlands £31446
North East £28583
On a regional basis, this is the approach that has consistently failed over decades. What is actually required is to bring economic growth to the least well performing regions so that they catch up with those that are better performing. It isn't a usual interpretation of economics now.A more usual interpretation of economics would be that the state should aim to smooth out those disparities through expenditure.
But where this approach does work really well is by age. The young and the old are net recipients, the productive years in between is when people are net givers, and that isn't going to change. That's why we have railcards for young people and seniors, and why it is economically bonkers to give that blanket support to 30-60 year olds too.
Cambridge can prosper without your pity thank you, though it is one of the most unequal cities in England, and bringing that prosperity to all postcodes is a challenge. But rail fares are not going to be playing any part. The £2 bus fare will have far more impact, as does the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Tiger bus pass, available to under 25s, which gives £1 fares. The Tiger pass is very successful, with 25% take up in Cambridge City and 33% in South Cambridgeshire.Pity poor Cambridge which is stuck slap-bang on top of this imaginary boundary.
Well put. I'm wary of the long term impact of the £2 bus cap, but, to give breathing space in the cost of living crisis, it is very sharp and effective.The subject of the thread is poorly framed. The underlying issues are a productivity crisis and a government affordability crisis. We have a stagnant tax base and yet want the government to do more and more. We don't have the money to treat the symptoms. We have to divert resources towards treating the cause.
As many others have eloquently argued, just throwing money at subsidising rail fares would be a very blunt and ineffective way of spending that money.
The £2 bus fare cap is far more effective because of the different demographics of bus and rail users, and buses reaching far better into the postcodes that need help than is the case with rail. There is no equivalence.Coming back to my OP, alleviating the cost of living crisis is specifically about helping people in the bottom to middle income spectrum whether they are in a position to work or not, wherever they are in the country. For this reason, an across the board scheme available to all, is far more effective than our patchwork of railcards with a big gap in the middle. This has been recognised with the £2 bus fare scheme. It needs to be recognised with railway fares.
Yet again, someone else will pay. There is no guarantee of "organic reductions in subsidy" and every penny of any reduction is needed to spend elsewhere. It is unaffordable.Also given the fact that according to our best guestimations the overall cost of such a railcard would be absorbed by organic reductions in subsidy in less than a year, suggests that it shouldn't be seen as unaffordable.