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TransPennine Express: "Fault with the catering trolley"

kkong

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I travelled twice with TransPennine Express on the west coast in the past week.

On both occasions, the standard class catering host made an announcement stating that there is a "fault with the catering trolley" and they would therefore be operating a static "shop" in the first class carriage (E).

On the first occasion, the "shop" was set up in the relatively open area near the wheelchair space, immediately at the entrance through from standard class.

On the second occasion, as I was seated near the kitchen end of first class, I heard the discussion between the standard class and first class catering hosts before the announcement was made.

I paraphrase, but it boiled down to "I think I'll just do the shop rather than going through the train" and a response of "that's fine, it doesn't bother me".

i.e. there was no trolley fault; the host just didn't want to move through the train to sell his wares.

On this occasion, the "shop" didn't even leave the first class kitchen, meaning that standard class passengers had to come all the way through first class to be served, in some cases queueing in the aisle.

The "shop" was closed (shortly after Lockerbie, on a journey to Glasgow), then after around 45 minutes of playing on his phone, the host wheeled the trolley out of first class and into standard class prior to disembarkation at Glasgow Central.

What kind of "fault" could these trolleys have that allows them to be wheeled onto, through and then off the train, but unable to be used as intended to sell product to seated passengers?

Or does this perhaps indicate a cultural problem with some TransPennine Express on-board catering hosts?
 
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Or does this perhaps indicate a cultural problem with some TransPennine Express on-board catering hosts?

There are lazy people in all jobs, the railway is particularly susceptible to it because most staff are not very closely supervised by the nature of things. A well managed TOC does "mystery shopping" and passenger surveys to ensure this is properly dealt with. Though there are plenty of variants of it, e.g. the old Virgin Trains monopolising of Coach K as a messroom and the tendency of Bletchley guards not to do tickets.
 
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What kind of "fault" could these trolleys have that allows them to be wheeled onto, through and then off the train, but unable to be used as intended to sell product to seated passengers?
Dodgy wheels, obviously.

Whether or not it had dodgy wheels, this is a positive - trolleys in aisles are nuisance and I'd prefer to see the end of them. A "fixed" trolley makes more sense.
 

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I recently travelled First Class on TPE from Manchester Picc to Preston (as part of a much longer journey) and noticed how little the Catering Staff did. [Both members of Catering Staff stood chatting in the little Kitchen area behind the Driver's Cab for most of the journey from Manchester to Preston]

Apart from one of them greeting me as I got on, they didn't interact with any Passengers until we passed Leyland, over half an hour after we left Manchester.

I was only able to get a drink because they'd left bottles of water at each table.

The only time I've used TPE First Class since they introduced the "West Coast" menus I was unable to get any sort of Breakfast food on the 08:58 from Preston to Glasgow, as they'd allegedly run out of everything and the top up order of First Class supplies was formed of items from the all day menu. It wasn't nice having pasta for a very late Breakfast! I seem to remember I had to specifically ask the Host for food.
 

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The only time I've used TPE First Class since they introduced the "West Coast" menus I was unable to get any sort of Breakfast food on the 08:58 from Preston to Glasgow, as they'd allegedly run out of everything and the top up order of First Class supplies was formed of items from the all day menu. It wasn't nice having pasta for a very late Breakfast! I seem to remember I had to specifically ask the Host for food.

Shortages in the first class food offer seem to be a continual issue.

There seems to be little communication into what needs or gets loaded: listening to staff, it seems to come as a surprise what turns up at Carlisle, Preston etc along the way.

No catering loaded at all in Edinburgh, so if the train arrives with nothing, it goes back with nothing.

Unacceptable for a 3.5 hour journey to Manchester.

The train with the "shop" in the kitchen had the first class host offering bacon rolls to passengers... in the late afternoon.
 

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Last year my wife and I travelled to Cardiff, from Newcastle, via York and London

Newcastle to York on TPE in first class, there was an announcement .. No hot drinks were available due to a faulty boiler

York to Kings Cross on LNER .. the same story, no hot drinks.

Paddington to Cardiff on GWR .. again, no hot water.

By the time we reached Cardiff, we were in need of a good drink
 

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Shortages in the first class food offer seem to be a continual issue.

There seems to be little communication into what needs or gets loaded: listening to staff, it seems to come as a surprise what turns up at Carlisle, Preston etc along the way.

No catering loaded at all in Edinburgh, so if the train arrives with nothing, it goes back with nothing.

Unacceptable for a 3.5 hour journey to Manchester.

The train with the "shop" in the kitchen had the first class host offering bacon rolls to passengers... in the late afternoon.
Travelled on the 1612 Glasgow-Liverpool on Saturday; the attendant was very pleasant and quite happy for us to take a few things from the snack tray as she didn’t know what hot meals if any she’d have until Carlisle. As it turned out, she did get a few, but only two of anything.

The previous week, the last service of snacks took us by surprise as it was offered departing Motherwell northbound!
 

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What kind of "fault" could these trolleys have that allows them to be wheeled onto, through and then off the train, but unable to be used as intended to sell product to seated passengers?
Usually issues with either refrigeration or the ability to keep the hot water at the correct temperature.

In terms of onboard sales Tea and Coffee are the most sold items.
 

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Usually issues with either refrigeration or the ability to keep the hot water at the correct temperature.

In terms of onboard sales Tea and Coffee are the most sold items.

As I was seated near the second trolley, I can inform you that the most sold item was beer. No announcement was made about the unavailability of tea or coffee.

On the first trolley at the other end of the carriage, tea and coffee was being dispensed as normal.
 

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As I was seated near the second trolley, I can inform you that the most sold item was beer. No announcement was made about the unavailability of tea or coffee.

On the first trolley at the other end of the carriage, tea and coffee was being dispensed as normal.
Each 397 and 802 only has one retail trolley for onboard sales.

Are you confusing the catering cabinet which is stored within the kitchen as ambient storage or within the fridge as refrigerated stock (looks similar to what airlines use) and has tea/coffee urns on the top rather than a hot water tap?
 

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Each 397 and 802 only has one retail trolley for onboard sales.

Are you confusing the catering cabinet which is stored within the kitchen as ambient storage or within the fridge as refrigerated stock (looks similar to what airlines use) and has tea/coffee urns on the top rather than a hot water tap?

No, I am referring to the first and second instances of travel, as per my original post.
 

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Last year my wife and I travelled to Cardiff, from Newcastle, via York and London

Newcastle to York on TPE in first class, there was an announcement .. No hot drinks were available due to a faulty boiler

York to Kings Cross on LNER .. the same story, no hot drinks.

Paddington to Cardiff on GWR .. again, no hot water.

By the time we reached Cardiff, we were in need of a good drink
Blimey. Hope you played the lottery that week!
 

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