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Best P&R options into London from the West Midlands?

Bungle

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Hi everyone, I’m looking for the best options for a day trip to London with the family.

We’re in north Birmingham (Sutton Coldfield) travelling with 3 children under 10. We did it last April, parking at Birmingham International for the day and travelling from there - the youngest was still 4 so we only paid for four of us, and with a Family Railcard the total ticket price came to £54, on Avanti both ways, which was a bargain.

Looking to do the same again - train at roughly 7:30 out, and departing back around 19:30-20:00 - on the days we can do it (midweeks up to late August) it’s generally coming out north of £100 and in some cases up to £150. In reality, working out at £20-£30 return each is not horrendous - on the contrary in fact! - but it slightly sticks in the craw knowing how cheap we had it last year and I’m looking at all available options to keep the cost sensible.

Doesn’t need to be the absolute cheapest possible, but just not overpaying.

Fridays seem slightly cheaper (can be had for £60 return) but those days are less convenient with me working early most Saturdays and needing to be back not too late, and Tuesdays-Thursdays (when we’d prefer to go) are more expensive.

We’ve ruled out the cheap but slow LNWR alternative via Northampton. Speed is important with the kids.

We’re also only 20 minutes from Tamworth, and the LNWR Trent Valley train from there is pretty good - just under 1.5hrs and relatively cheap - but there are fewer alternatives if something goes wrong. Also getting a car park space at Tamworth on a weekday can be a nightmare and I’m not sure we can have seat reservations on that route either.

So there are a couple of options, but I’m also considering driving closer to London and getting the train in from somewhere en-route - I guess from somewhere like Milton Keynes or Watford or somewhere. I’d rather it not be the Tube, I’d prefer “normal” rail; needs to be easily accessible from the M1 or M40 and have a big enough car park to not need to stress about it being full. Any suggestions as to where might be good locations to do that?

(And yes I accept that overall journey time may be in that case comparable to a slow train via Northampton anyway - but the kids will be in their “own” environment with entertainment and comfort in the car, not annoying other passengers, etc, so it may be worth it.)

Open to all suggestions! Thanks.
 
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We’re also only 20 minutes from Tamworth, and the LNWR Trent Valley train from there is pretty good - just under 1.5hrs and relatively cheap - but there are fewer alternatives if something goes wrong. Also getting a car park space at Tamworth on a weekday can be a nightmare and I’m not sure we can have seat reservations on that route either.
Correct - no seat reservations but an easy journey and I have never had an issue getting a seat on those services even at peak time. At Euston you will have to be sharp with getting on.

So there are a couple of options, but I’m also considering driving closer to London and getting the train in from somewhere en-route - I guess from somewhere like Milton Keynes
There is lots of surface parking around MKC plus some bigger car parks. Not usually a problem at weekends as the offices are empty. During the week may be harder.

the only problem is you then have to drive back home after your trip out making it a long day. Rugby might be an option. There is a multi story behind the station and is less of a trek back home.
 

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I find Denham works for me, you're just off the M25 with multiple options to get back to the Midlands such as the M40 and M1
 

Bungle

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At Euston you will have to be sharp with getting on.
The 7-year-old holds a Nimbus Disability Access card - last time we went, the customer service staff were very helpful and happy to give us the platform early and send us down the ramp before it went up on the boards, meaning we weren’t caught up in the stampede. Hopefully that will be the same this time! Thanks for the heads-up though - I guess that train carries a lot of Watford and Milton Keynes commuters.

I find Denham works for me, you're just off the M25 with multiple options to get back to the Midlands such as the M40 and M1

Thank you - this is one I definitely hadn’t considered, will check it out.
 

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I suppose it really depends on where you are going in London as to where is most convenient to park up. If you're wanting the Euston area then Kings Langley is pretty good, nice big multi-storey car park just off the M25, and the same applies at Rickmansworth for trains into Marylebone.

I know you said no tubes, but Hillingdon or Ickenham are very good options too, and at least the Metropolitan Line trains are full-sized and air-conditioned.
 

Bungle

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Thanks everyone - some great options there that I hadn’t considered. Appreciate the help.
 

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Bletchley isn't that far from the M1 and has a choice of fast trains (busy) and slow ones (much quieter). The car park always has spaces and is much cheaper than MKC.

Further from the M1 but Tring is another popular option, plan for the trains that start there for a guaranteed seat.
 

Bald Rick

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Looking to do the same again - train at roughly 7:30 out, and departing back around 19:30-20:00 - on the days we can do it (midweeks up to late August)

Noting your desire for speed, beware that if heading for MK / Watford area, the M1 / M25 will be busy at that time in the morning, and at times can be horrendous, even in school hols. It could easily be a 2 hour drive to Watford for example. (It recently took me 90 mins to do M1 J15 to the M25).

Surprised no one has mentioned Warwick Parkway. That would be £80 for all 4 of you on the 0843 departure (in London 1022) and that’s travelcards so full use of tube, bus, etc. included. Right by the A46, off the M40.

Lands you right by Madame Tussauds if that’s your thing.
 

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Surprised no one has mentioned Warwick Parkway. That would be £80 for all 4 of you on the 0843 departure (in London 1022) and that’s travelcards so full use of tube, bus, etc. included. Right by the A46, off the M40.
Erm, post #8 ;) :
Warwick Parkway (just off the A46) may be possible. Takes you to Marylebone.
 

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Warwick Parkway (just off the A46) may be possible. Takes you to Marylebone.
I used Warwick Parkway but going the other way, drove up from London ,then train to Moor Street then tram to West Bromwich to see a night game at West Brom
 

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Another vote for Warwick Parkway. That £80 fare (£39 per adult, £1 per child) is travelcard plus flexible return, so no need to commit to a specific time there or back (as long as you arrive in London after 10am - any earlier than that and it’ll likely be expensive whatever you do). Probably best to buy in advance as in the past I’ve found Chiltern’s station ticket machines reluctant to sell this ticket.

However, there are no seat reservations on this route and the 0843 (being the first ‘off peak’ train) might get busy.
 

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Another vote for Warwick Parkway. That £80 fare (£39 per adult, £1 per child) is travelcard plus flexible return, so no need to commit to a specific time there or back (as long as you arrive in London after 10am - any earlier than that and it’ll likely be expensive whatever you do). Probably best to buy in advance as in the past I’ve found Chiltern’s station ticket machines reluctant to sell this ticket.
Chiltern TVMs don't sell Family Travelcards at all. However, Warwick Parkway has a Ticket Office or the OP could buy the tickets online and collect them from a TVM.
 

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M40 very much better than the dreaded M1 ! - I would reccomend Stanmore as some one else said , or you could be very adventurous and try the Preston Road area and go in on the Met Line - good safe area (check parking restrictions though !)
 

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M40 very much better than the dreaded M1 ! - I would reccomend Stanmore as some one else said ,
Stanmore is some distance from the M40/A40 though. The M40/A40 is parallel to the Chiltern line from High Wycombe to South Ruislip.
 

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I used Warwick Parkway but going the other way, drove up from London ,then train to Moor Street then tram to West Bromwich to see a night game at West Brom

Gosh that must have been awful for you.


That's useful but how does the M1 compare to the M40 travelling from the Midlands to London? My experience has not been particularly positive

Dreadful. You will have a queue, somewhere, between 0630 and 1000. Most days southbound it is queuing up to J14 (MK) and then again from J11/J12 area through to J10, then again around the M25. Today it was long queues back from J12 due to a fuel spillage. There is always something happening.

M40 gets you to Hillingdon fairly easily, but the car park there fills up AIUi. (A friend commutes that way from Worcestershire a couple of times a week, but he’s parked up in Hillingdon by 0730).
 

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Gosh that must have been awful for you.




Dreadful. You will have a queue, somewhere, between 0630 and 1000. Most days southbound it is queuing up to J14 (MK) and then again from J11/J12 area through to J10, then again around the M25. Today it was long queues back from J12 due to a fuel spillage. There is always something happening.

M40 gets you to Hillingdon fairly easily, but the car park there fills up AIUi. (A friend commutes that way from Worcestershire a couple of times a week, but he’s parked up in Hillingdon by 0730).
Is Hillingdon better at the weekend? Are there good nearby M40 alternatives? In the past I have used Gerrards Cross.
 

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Is Hillingdon better at the weekend? Are there good nearby M40 alternatives?
At the weekend Maidenhead is a possibility. You leave the M40 at Handy Cross and take the dual carriageway A404, A404(M) via Shoppenhangers Road to the car park at Maidenhead station. You then have the half hourly fast GWR service to Paddington or the more frequent but slower Elizabeth Line every fifteen minutes.
 

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