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Beware of air conditioner scams

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I know it is far more complicated than this, but one thing I always learnt from GCSE Physics is that you can't create energy, you can only transfer it or convert it. So to convert heat into cooler air you have to them transfer the wasted heat energy some where. In this case it has to be exhausted into another room (outside hopefully!). YouTube is full of these scams, the I have seen the heater scam too, which they claim a tiny 500w resistive electric heater can heat a very large room.
It is largely all the same product, the same casing will be used for much of these scams with only the internals changed slightly.

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I don't think the centre of Manchester would be a good place to try one!
The heat goes to vapourise water, and will reappear as heat wherever that vapour condenses. So I guess if it gets out of a window there could be a net benefit - except that opening the window lets hot air in. Otherwise it's going to condense in the house at some point, re-releasing the heat as well as possibly causing damp and mould problems (although something of this size won't make much difference, just like it doesn't for temperature).
 
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I bought a portable a couple of years ago, it's by a heavily curtained window in the smallest bedroom so the there's a gap for the pipe, and I've done my best to cover that gap so the hot air escapes. On full blast 16c for 15 mins it does cool the room down markedly, when used after sunset on a still, very warm muggy evening. I notice it walking in!

However it's too noisy and cost-consuming to leave on all night, so if I'm not asleep (on my camp bed!) quickly the room soon gets back to greenhouse levels even at night with the window/curtain closed.

Seriously thinking, over the winter, installing a proper unit, probably cost well over £1000. But it's a room I can use for a bed, PC, telly etc to keep me cool and entertained on hot evenings.
 

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These adverts are not new. When I bought my lovely Penguino portable* air conditioner back in 2022 my internet search brought up loads of similar pieces of kit. Reading any advertisement text with a cycnical/questioning mind generally does the trick.

*only if your Geoff Capes, it's heavy!
 

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I found an advert on Facebook yesterday which was pretending to be an advert for an air conditioner from Tesco. I reported it and Facebook quickly responded that it had been deleted. I was surprised as I didn't think that Facebook took any action in a lot of cases.
 

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I found an advert on Facebook yesterday which was pretending to be an advert for an air conditioner from Tesco. I reported it and Facebook quickly responded that it had been deleted. I was surprised as I didn't think that Facebook took any action in a lot of cases.
Probably Facebook are trying to show they are acting on the fake adverts so no further action is required by the government etc
 

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I found an advert on Facebook yesterday which was pretending to be an advert for an air conditioner from Tesco. I reported it and Facebook quickly responded that it had been deleted. I was surprised as I didn't think that Facebook took any action in a lot of cases.
I guess that they took action since it was a recognisable brand*.

*As in "a likely to sue us brand".
 

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I recently reported one of these ads to Google. (I clicked through to make sure it was a scam and i quoted the impossible claim it was making in the report). I just got an email back saying that the ad hasn’t been removed because it ‘doesn’t violate our policy‘ <(. So google also doesn’t take action, or considers false advertising to be permissible
 

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I recently reported one of these ads to Google. (I clicked through to make sure it was a scam and i quoted the impossible claim it was making in the report). I just got an email back saying that the ad hasn’t been removed because it ‘doesn’t violate our policy‘ <(. So google also doesn’t take action, or considers false advertising to be permissible
Yes, I did the same (post #5). Their reporting system seems completely useless, and AFAICT the ASA are powerless. I wonder if the ASA can put a stop to the many British newspaper websites that accept adverts for scams and junk products though, surely they’re under ASA supervision?
 

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So google also doesn’t take action, or considers false advertising to be permissible.
The problem is that Google and the like won't ban adverts that stretch the truth, since that's "how advertising works". And they won't ban ads that make outrageous claims since it "should be obvious" that the claims aren't realistic and are "satirical". The window of "untrue enough" to be taken down is, unfortunately, very narrow.
 

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I note another hazard. How many of these (and other) appliances are sold with a little dinky plug? Does it contain a fuse? If not, this is potentially a fire hazard
In this video, the plug is sawn off (and I don.t like the way his fingers are close to an operating angle grinder)
 

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Does it contain a fuse? If not, this is potentially a fire hazard
Given the tiny fan won't be pulling any current of note, and the thin wires on the inside I suspect that they would melt long before they generated enough heat to set anything on fire.-

The one I saw had a partially sleeved earth pin which means it's more likely to be a shock hazard than fire.
 

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I recently purchased a USB water agitator, designed to act as a portable tabletop washing machine using a bucket, and as soon as I unpacked it, noted that the wire showed signs of overheating, several customer reviews of this item said the same thing. I am also thinking of the standard 2 pin cable which may be plugged into a variety of equipment, where the plug appears not to have a fuse regarding certain cables sold online. I would rather be safe than sorry.
 

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I recently purchased a USB water agitator, designed to act as a portable tabletop washing machine using a bucket, and as soon as I unpacked it, noted that the wire showed signs of overheating...
Now that is impressively bad. Assuming it was USB-A rather than USB-C then the power would have been limited to something like 15W. If they managed to generate a significant amount of heat while also managing to run said agitator that's some first-class mis-engineering!
 

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Increasingly many of the key pages of the modern internet look like the sort of scammy pages that you'd run a mile from in the 2000s.
 

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I found the agitator gutless, as soon as an item of clothing made contact, it would stop without powering down. Probably why it started overheating when someone wasn't keeping an eye on it. Also for the seller to repackage such an item when returned and resell it to the next customer is also dishonest

I agree that there are so many online scams. The heatwave has resulted in a massive demand for cooling devices, such as one online auction having 79 watchers, or items being offered for sale at a price at least double what the item is worth, and this is from the likes of eBay and Amazon. You also don't have to look far before finding a listing with "air conditioner" in the title, which is clearly not an air conditioner, consisting of a bucket and fan, with the ability to draw water into a filter alongside the fan. Any cooling effect is improved by iced water
 

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Amazon have got into hot water in the past about selling non UK approved electricals, as a result they're now pretty good at removing items from sale and refunding them if they're sold with non-conformant mains plug (including euro plugs when sold to the UK).

If you get something which seems dodgy, report it direct to Amazon, not the seller.
 

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The BBC have picked this up: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6g41pzy41o




I watched one of the Proper DIY videos mentioned, but I can't now find it - perhaps taken down for some reason? I got the advert for the "air conditioner" three times while watching it...

These coolers exploit the "latent heat" that is taken in when water evaporates, which will lower the local temperature - basically what happens when people sweat. But as mentioned they are of little use in high humidity as found in most UK heatwaves, as the extra moisture in the air just makes sweating less effective and makes the conditions feel more oppressive.
The one I’m seeing most adverts for doesn’t even have the water evaporation, it’s just a cheap fan in a box.

It’s the latest scam brought to you from the people behind the small plug-in heaters that were being advertised over winter as using 90% less energy, again breaching the laws of thermodynamics and energy conservation.

I’m suspicious about the various hose ends sold as ‘pressure washers’ too.

It’s preposterous that these aren’t shut down or the huge companies publishing them aren’t facing big fines. Government is supposed to protect the population.

Facebook is full of absolute scams too, dodgy products and dodgy politics.

It’s safe to assume anything advertised to you over the internet is either an outright scam, or can be bought directly from Temu/Ali Express for what it’s actually worth.
 

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It’s preposterous that these aren’t shut down or the huge companies publishing them aren’t facing big fines. Government is supposed to protect the population.
The ads aren't being pushed by big companies, typically the ads are being paid for by front companies for tiny drop-shippers. And the likes of Facebook and Google will remove ads for things that put them in direct legal jeopardy (so think that are patently unsafe or promote harm), but where it comes to claims, one person's lie is another person's puffery.
 

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The ads aren't being pushed by big companies, typically the ads are being paid for by front companies for tiny drop-shippers. And the likes of Facebook and Google will remove ads for things that put them in direct legal jeopardy (so think that are patently unsafe or promote harm), but where it comes to claims, one person's lie is another person's puffery.
But these are blatantly false claims and deceptive. That’s not legal.

How about a law requiring all ads delivered on the internet to have a human review by the publisher? It’d cost the companies a bit to do this but then they’re not short of a bob or two, and it’s just basic decency.
 

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Make the platform hosting the ad jointly liable if products aren't delivered or aren't as claimed, like credit card providers are?
 

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Make the platform hosting the ad jointly liable if products aren't delivered or aren't as claimed, like credit card providers are?
I don't see how that could work in practice. For one thing, how can someone prove that the only reason that they bought a product was a specific advertisement?
 

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Given the tiny fan won't be pulling any current of note, and the thin wires on the inside I suspect that they would melt long before they generated enough heat to set anything on fire.-

The one I saw had a partially sleeved earth pin which means it's more likely to be a shock hazard than fire.
The wiring melting is a massive issue and the heat generated could easily cause a fire, remember a ring final circuit usually has a 32A breaker or a 30A fuse, that's a lot of power potentially passing through a thin and potentially not even copper cable.
Instant fail during a portable appliance test, and I should know as I've done enough of them!
 

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The wiring melting is a massive issue and the heat generated could easily cause a fire, remember a ring final circuit usually has a 32A breaker or a 30A fuse, that's a lot of power potentially passing through a thin and potentially not even copper cable.
That's exactly the point I was making: the high electrical resistance (copper-clad aluminium) and low thermal mass means that they would likely fail before being able to convert a significant amount of electricity into heat. So I'd expect to open a failed unit and find the wire turned itself into scorch marks on the inside of the case and not much more than that.
 

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The one I’m seeing most adverts for doesn’t even have the water evaporation, it’s just a cheap fan in a box.

It’s the latest scam brought to you from the people behind the small plug-in heaters that were being advertised over winter as using 90% less energy, again breaching the laws of thermodynamics and energy conservation.

I’m suspicious about the various hose ends sold as ‘pressure washers’ too.

It’s preposterous that these aren’t shut down or the huge companies publishing them aren’t facing big fines. Government is supposed to protect the population.

Facebook is full of absolute scams too, dodgy products and dodgy politics.

It’s safe to assume anything advertised to you over the internet is either an outright scam, or can be bought directly from Temu/Ali Express for what it’s actually worth.
I wouldn't touch Ali Express with a bargepole, they're just as dodgy as the Facebook scammers!


Chinese online retail giant AliExpress has been fined a record €550m (£467m) by the EU for allowing the sale of illegal products such as unsafe toys and fake clothes.

The European Commission said AliExpress has fallen short of its legal obligations "diligently assess" the risk of illegal, unsafe or fake goods on its platform.

"The spread of counterfeit clothing, unsafe toys, dangerous cosmetics and other illegal and harmful products is not an unavoidable cost of shopping online - it is a failure by AliExpress to comply with its obligations," said EU tech chief Henna Virkkunen.
 

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I wouldn't touch Ali Express with a bargepole, they're just as dodgy as the Facebook scammers!
Ali Express is just a marketplace, the only difference is that the sellers are manufacturers rather than individuals. Same rules apply as would apply on eBay or similar.
 

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I don't see how that could work in practice. For one thing, how can someone prove that the only reason that they bought a product was a specific advertisement?
Woukk ok caught it’s the other way round - the platform would have to prove that the advert /promotion had nothing to do with your decision to purchase (difficult if you bought it via them!)
 

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I don't see how that could work in practice. For one thing, how can someone prove that the only reason that they bought a product was a specific advertisement?
A viewer clicking through on the ad would be a good start.
 

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Woukk ok caught it’s the other way round - the platform would have to prove that the advert /promotion had nothing to do with your decision to purchase (difficult if you bought it via them!)
"Guilty until proven innocent" - not sure that idea flies.
A viewer clicking through on the ad would be a good start.
They've seen a dozen adverts for similar products (or the same product advertised on a different site) and finally clicked through - was it this particular advert that scammed them?
 

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What's the old saying? If it sounds to good to be true, it often is, these fake air conditioners for example, are just cheap fans, no heat exchanger, no ducting etc, all proper air con systems create heat, that needs to be vented out of the building, and are very expensive the best way to stay cool is to shield the heat source and have a cold towel and a fan to circulate cold air. I have a smalll portable unit that has a water tank, with elements that the air goes through i use chilled water from the freezer to cool the air,
 

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