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The Railways Bill - discussion about the legislation that will create Great British Railways

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The second reading of the bill in the Lords is scheduled to take place on 7 July.

The version of the Railways Bill as brought from the Commons is available here, along with the explanatory notes and the other documents.
Has now been debated

Members of the House of Lords discussed the key principles of the Railways Bill, during second reading on Tuesday 7 July.
The Railways Bill will implement plans to nationalise the rail network through the creation of the publicly owned Great British Railways. The new law will also confer powers to the Passengers’ Council and require the government to publish a long-term strategy and set rail freight targets.

Debate on the draft law​

During second reading, members discuss the main topics of the bill and draw attention to concerns or specific areas where they believe amendments (changes) are needed.

Members speaking​

Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill (Labour), Minister for Rail at the Department for Transport and former chair of Network Rail, put forward the debate and responded on behalf of the government.
Contributing members included:
  • Lord Berkeley (Labour), vice president of rail companies alliance ALLRAIL and former chair of the Rail Freight Group
  • Lord Bradshaw (Liberal Democrats), former director of operations for British Rail
  • Lord Faulkner of Worcester (Labour), chair of the Great Western Rail advisory board
  • Lord Grayling (Conservative), former Transport Secretary during the government commissions of the Oakervee Review on HS2 and the Williams-Shapps Rail Review
  • Baroness Grey-Thompson (Crossbench), former board member of Transport for London
  • Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb (Green), former green transport advisor to the Mayor of London
  • Lord Moylan (Conservative), former deputy chair of Transport for London
  • Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay (Conservative), chair of the Heritage Railway Association
  • Baroness Pidgeon (Liberal Democrats), former chair of the London Assembly Transport Committee.


There is also a Hansard transcript (which is too long to quote)

 

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Just read the whole thing, there's a lot of wibble in there. And, of course some annoying comments. One that stands out is by Lord Blencathra, having a whinge about staff travel facilities! He could do with reminding that staff travel is not free, last time I checked, it was taxed at about £900 for me and the other half (probably more now). Idiot. Not exactly free is it!

Let us look at other money that may be wasted. We have a demand from the London Underground tube drivers, surely the most overpaid and underworked people in London, that they and their partners get a 75% discount on all the new British Rail trains. That is another 8,000 people to add to the 350,000 railway pensioners and their partners, who also get the 75% discount. The 66,000 staff and partners working for the current train operating companies get free travel on their own lines and 75% discount on other lines. Not to be outdone, Network Rail has given all its 40,000 staff and partners the 75% discount also.



Of course, when all the train operating companies are nationalised, all 120,000 train staff and their partners will get either the 75% discount or, more likely, free travel anywhere in the UK at any time. We are heading to a situation where well over 1 million people connected to the railways will be getting free or 75% discounted travel to anywhere in the UK for the rest of their lives. Will the Minister confirm whether this perk will be extended to HQ staff for the new British Rail or to any DfT civil servants?
 

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Just read the whole thing, there's a lot of wibble in there. And, of course some annoying comments. One that stands out is by Lord Blencathra, having a whinge about staff travel facilities! He could do with reminding that staff travel is not free, last time I checked, it was taxed at about £900 for me and the other half (probably more now). Idiot. Not exactly free is it!
A million people connected to the railway who in his eyes mustn't work and just spend everyday riding up and down the country for free on a jolly... What a Clown :rolleyes:

Just looked him up, say no more!
 

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A million people connected to the railway who in his eyes mustn't work and just spend everyday riding up and down the country for free on a jolly... What a Clown :rolleyes:

Just looked him up, say no more!
Always annoys me when people say it's free. Bit like people saying the NHS is free, but that's for another discussion.
 

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Just read the whole thing, there's a lot of wibble in there. And, of course some annoying comments. One that stands out is by Lord Blencathra, having a whinge about staff travel facilities! He could do with reminding that staff travel is not free, last time I checked, it was taxed at about £900 for me and the other half (probably more now). Idiot. Not exactly free is it!
You paid £900 tax? How much did you save? Must have been a hell of a lot!
 

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You paid £900 tax? How much did you save? Must have been a hell of a lot!
It's based on how much the employer pays RSTL for the facility rather than how much value is obtained from it. If @S101 is a higher rate taxpayer (not as high a threshold as it used to be!) then it would mean that £2250 was paid by their employer. Whilst there are some who barely use their travel facilities it's not wouldn't take too many journeys to save £200 a month with them.
 

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It's based on how much the employer pays RSTL for the facility rather than how much value is obtained from it. If @S101 is a higher rate taxpayer (not as high a threshold as it used to be!) then it would mean that £2250 was paid by their employer. Whilst there are some who barely use their travel facilities it's not wouldn't take too many journeys to save £200 a month with them.
So it's added to income rather than being usage based? So if they don't use the travel the use the money? And that seems to be a higher tax rate, so any sympathy is limited.
 

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It’s classed as a Benefit in Kind so anyone earning over £8500 pays tax on the amount paid by the employer to RSTL at thier personal tax rate. It’s not paid bt TOC staff as the travel is given for free
 

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So it's added to income rather than being usage based?
Yes, it's considered a benefit in kind because money changes hands between the employer and RSTL. Someone who works for a TOC, where it's considered a reciprocal exchange of facilities and thus no money changes hands, doesn't get charged tax.

So if they don't use the travel the use the money?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, but it's deemed a benefit in kind and you pay tax on it whether you use it or not

And that seems to be a higher tax rate, so any sympathy is limited.
The higher rate tax threshold has been frozen for so many years, despite high inflation, that it is now equivalent to having been set at £39k in 2021 terms, and that 30% of full time workers now pay it. By contrast, when the higher rate tax band was introduced in 1988 it was equivalent to £85k in today's prices.
 

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Yes, it's considered a benefit in kind because money changes hands between the employer and RSTL. Someone who works for a TOC, where it's considered a reciprocal exchange of facilities and thus no money changes hands, doesn't get charged tax.


I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, but it's deemed a benefit in kind and you pay tax on it whether you use it or not


The higher rate tax threshold has been frozen for so many years, despite high inflation, that it is now equivalent to having been set at £39k in 2021 terms, and that 30% of full time workers now pay it. By contrast, when the higher rate tax band was introduced in 1988 it was equivalent to £85k in today's prices.
Us 20% tax payers feel their pain.
 

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So it's added to income rather than being usage based? So if they don't use the travel the use the money? And that seems to be a higher tax rate, so any sympathy is limited.
Good job, that at no point did I want any sympathy. But understand, that it's not free, despite the term 'free' getting used flippantly. Especially if you only use a couple of boxes a year. I'm not at all moaning about the tax, just that people believe rail staff get FREE travel. It's not.
 

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If you work for a TOC then it is free it’s non TOC staff that have to,pay Benefit in Kind
 

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So, presumably when it’s all one big, happy GBR then everyone (except devolved services and open access) will be (tax) ‘free’?
 

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So, presumably when it’s all one big, happy GBR then everyone (except devolved services and open access) will be (tax) ‘free’?
That remains to be seen. It may well depend on whether GBR becomes integrated as one legal entity, or whether it remains multiple separate legal entities. I would be surprised if the former happened, not least because it would allow secondary strike action (e.g. at all parts of GBR for a dispute only affecting one region).
 

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That remains to be seen. It may well depend on whether GBR becomes integrated as one legal entity, or whether it remains multiple separate legal entities. I would be surprised if the former happened, not least because it would allow secondary strike action (e.g. at all parts of GBR for a dispute only affecting one region).

I expect it to be some years before all the legal entities are combined.

Nevertheless, that wouldn’t mean a local dispute affecting one ares would lead to national action, as that depends on the bargaining machinery at the relevant levels. It didn’t in BR days, and it wouldn’t now.
 

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That remains to be seen. It may well depend on whether GBR becomes integrated as one legal entity, or whether it remains multiple separate legal entities. I would be surprised if the former happened, not least because it would allow secondary strike action (e.g. at all parts of GBR for a dispute only affecting one region).
Secondary action has been illegal for many years. Those taking part in any action have to be directly in dispute.
 

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Secondary action has been illegal for many years. Those taking part in any action have to be directly in dispute.
But that applies at an employer level. If all GBR staff fall under the same employer there's nothing to prevent ex-GWR staff striking over an issue affecting ex-Greater Anglia staff.

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Nevertheless, that wouldn’t mean a local dispute affecting one ares would lead to national action, as that depends on the bargaining machinery at the relevant levels. It didn’t in BR days, and it wouldn’t now.
I seem to recall reading about a nationwide strike about DOO during the 80s, even though that was only planned to be introduced on the Midland region.
 
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The sitting dates for Lord's committee stage of the Railways Bill have been published. At the time of writing, they are:
  • 8 September 2026
  • 10 September 2026
  • 16 September 2026
  • 12 October 2026
  • 19 October 2026
  • 21 October 2026
  • 26 October 2026
 

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That remains to be seen. It may well depend on whether GBR becomes integrated as one legal entity, or whether it remains multiple separate legal entities. I would be surprised if the former happened, not least because it would allow secondary strike action (e.g. at all parts of GBR for a dispute only affecting one region).
This is never going to be the main consideration in determining overall organisational structure.
 

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This is never going to be the main consideration in determining overall organisational structure.
The organisational structure doesn't necessarily need to be the same as the legal structure.
 

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The organisational structure doesn't necessarily need to be the same as the legal structure.
Presumably that’s why we’ve never seen national strikes across the major bus operators like Stagecoach, First etc as all the original regional companies are separate legal entities.
 
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The organisational structure doesn't necessarily need to be the same as the legal structure.
Indeed it doesn't but there are still plenty of other considerations for both, as well as your somewhat cynical take.
 

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Indeed it doesn't but there are still plenty of other considerations for both, as well as your somewhat cynical take.
Forgive me for being cynical when it comes to the rail industry, it's not as if there is anything that could possibly have led me to think that way :lol:
 

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AFAIK it wasn’t a conventional strike as the 317s were simply blacked but drivers continued working the old class 127 DMUs normally until an agreement was reached.
 
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The sitting dates for Lord's committee stage of the Railways Bill have been published. At the time of writing, they are:
  • 8 September 2026
  • 10 September 2026
  • 16 September 2026
  • 12 October 2026
  • 19 October 2026
  • 21 October 2026
  • 26 October 2026
Getting a bit more back on topic, this is really interesting. I believe this means timescales have slipped, as the running line has been 'GBR will be set up around a year after the Bill reaches Royal Assent, with that expected in mid-2026 for a 2027 formal establishment of GBR.' If the Bill is still in the Committee stage of the Lords at the end of October, it likely won't be able to achieve Royal Assent until 2027. Or am I mistaken?
 

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