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[swifty]

Probably, the WOE fleet is a bit all over the place currently.

If it was between 4 and 6pm it would’ve been a Bath Unibus on the 4.

 

[nick291]

If it was between 4 and 6pm it would’ve been a Bath Unibus on the 4.

You mean the 41 right? The 4 doesn't serve Hotwell Road.

 

[Citistar]

I assumed from the previous post (#32,883) on the Y2C that it was going to incorporate the 918, and that was where the requirement for deckers came from?

The tendered timetable for the Y2C/918/622/104 - whatever it ends up getting referred to as - is really odd because it requires an extra bus only for the afternoon movement. Logically, a decker may be used for the trips that are currently 918 (which may also form an 0830 Thornbury - Yate), but i'd be surprised to see a decker running on any of it all day.

 

[Will1am]

The tendered timetable for the Y2C/918/622/104 - whatever it ends up getting referred to as - is really odd because it requires an extra bus only for the afternoon movement. Logically, a decker may be used for the trips that are currently 918 (which may also form an 0830 Thornbury - Yate), but i'd be surprised to see a decker running on any of it all day.

The changes are already out. It will be the Y2C. I do not see why you are referring to changes like we wouldn’t know what’s happening.

 

[-Colly405-]

According to the WEST 'upcoming changes' pages, First have won the 25, and Euro the Y8.
Presumably the remainder will trickle through in the coming days...

Bus Routes & Timetables | WEST Journey Planner

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[YorkRailFan]

A post on Facebook suggests one of Bath’s new repowers 71092 will be diverted temporarily to York.

York appear to have taken out of service their Optare Metrodeckers for now following a Metrodecker fire that occurred in London.
It’s probable that 71092 (and possibly others) will be used to help cover for the sidelined buses.

71090 is also in York now.

 

[nick291]

According to the WEST 'upcoming changes' pages, First have won the 25, and Euro the Y8.
Presumably the remainder will trickle through in the coming days...

Bus Routes & Timetables | WEST Journey Planner

Find bus route maps and timetables for services in the West of England region including Bristol and Bath.

journeyplanner.travelwest.info

First getting back the 25 would make sense, especially if it's being extended to Bedminster/Southville

 

[k27spg]

The major B9 cull is under way with 18 removed this week.

 

[Will1am]

New timetable and route map. Presumably the 25 will operate out of Hengrove using Yutong U11DDs.

 

[nick291]

New timetable and route map. Presumably the 25 will operate out of Hengrove using Yutong U11DDs.

From that map It looks like it does a circular around Southville/Ashton and turns left onto Luckwell Road then right at the roundabout to head back towards Bedminster/Centre/Eastville.

 

[Whiteway215]

The major B9 cull is under way with 18 removed this week.

37340 345 597 599 612 617 619 628 631 637 641 757 all SORN on DVLA this week.
That’s twelve-which ones make up the other six?

 

[Will1am]

From that map It looks like it does a circular around Southville/Ashton and turns left onto Luckwell Road then right at the roundabout to head back towards Bedminster/Centre/Eastville.

It will run down Raleigh Road before terminating. It’s strange how it goes via Dalby Avenue and Malago Road instead of staying with the 24

 

[nick291]

It will run down Raleigh Road before terminating. It’s strange how it goes via Dalby Avenue and Malago Road instead of staying with the 24

It is an oddity for sure. I suppose it means BCC doesn't have to fork out for the Wesley Street stop to be removed in the process.

 

[-Colly405-]

Surely it is just a way for the outbound 25 to get to a place where it mirrors the inbound 24 asap?

 

[Will1am]

Surely it is just a way for the outbound 25 to get to a place where it mirrors the inbound 24 asap?

Presumably.

I’m assuming from August 30th the 25 will likely extend from both ends towards both Ashton Vale and Southmead Hospital, allowing for extra 24 capacity

 

[-Colly405-]

Is the 24 struggling for capacity throughout?

Or could the 25, particularly in Southville, be considered as being additional capacity on the inner sections of the 24 (similarly to the 77 being additional capacity for the inner sections of the 74/75/76 and 1/2/2a/3/4.

 

[nick291]

Is the 24 struggling for capacity throughout?

Or could the 25, particularly in Southville, be considered as being additional capacity on the inner sections of the 24 (similarly to the 77 being additional capacity for the inner sections of the 74/75/76 and 1/2/2a/3/4.

I've never known the 24 to be completely full and standing since it went to decker operation about 9 years ago.

 

[Will1am]

I've never known the 24 to be completely full and standing since it went to decker operation about 9 years ago.

Personally what I’d love to see them do is combine the 24/25 again and interwork them. I do believe the demand is there it’s just not been tested in a while.

 

[-Colly405-]

Posted here as there's no infrastructure-related thread for this area!

Driving along Old Gloucester Rd B4427 last night, in the vicinity of where it crosses the M32, there is a long section of new pavement and kerb on the northbound side that includes a raised pavement section with Kassel (?) kerb, and yellow bus stop marking on the carriageway.

I'm not aware of this having ever been a bus route, so is something planned to go that way?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Posted here as there's no infrastructure-related thread for this area!

Driving along Old Gloucester Rd B4427 last night, in the vicinity of where it crosses the M32, there is a long section of new pavement and kerb on the northbound side that includes a raised pavement section with Kassel (?) kerb, and yellow bus stop marking on the carriageway.

I'm not aware of this having ever been a bus route, so is something planned to go that way?

Is there new development planned for the area? It might be that it's a planning obligation?

 

[Citistar]

Posted here as there's no infrastructure-related thread for this area!

Driving along Old Gloucester Rd B4427 last night, in the vicinity of where it crosses the M32, there is a long section of new pavement and kerb on the northbound side that includes a raised pavement section with Kassel (?) kerb, and yellow bus stop marking on the carriageway.

I'm not aware of this having ever been a bus route, so is something planned to go that way?

Seems an odd thing to do when the housing developments along there would surely be directed towards the Metrobus / T1 services on Rosedown Ave rather than trying to establish yet another route through that part of the world. If the last thirty odd years of bus services coming and going around Bradley Stoke and it's environs have taught us anything, it's that only a network of frequent corridors seem to attract any trade rather than trying to bring routes closer to folk less frequently.

 

[swifty]

Is there new development planned for the area? It might be that it's a planning obligation?

If it’s anything like BANES, Highways will have objected to a development unless a bus stop can be situated within 400m of all houses.

Look at the two stops put in on Charlton Road leaving Keynsham towards Queen Charlton, they’ve never been used (not even by the K1 which drives past) but they ticked a box.

 

[-Colly405-]

Yes, there is a lot of development in the area, but the stop doesn't seem well placed for any of it. As @Citistar says, the main focus of access to the new build areas is Great Stoke Way / Rosedown Ave, so m1, m4 and T1 would be more appropriate...

 

[Will1am]

some new timetables are out! Massive improvements for Chew Valley - Massive downgrades for South Gloucestershire!

525/100/101 shown below
100 will run same timetable Mon-Sat with no Sunday service.

 

[Marcus Fryer]

some new timetables are out! Massive improvements for Chew Valley - Massive downgrades for South Gloucestershire!

525/100/101 shown below
100 will run same timetable Mon-Sat with no Sunday service.

Apart from Sundays (and bank holidays), the 525 timetable looks the same as that being run today by Stagecoach?

 

[Will1am]

Apart from Sundays (and bank holidays), the 525 timetable looks the same as that being run today by Stagecoach?

Of course, it looks like that, however there is still reduced journeys on the 525, and likelihood is it’ll be used less as Eurocoaches doesn’t advertise fares so no one uses it as a result

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Of course, it looks like that, however there is still reduced journeys on the 525, and likelihood is it’ll be used less as Eurocoaches doesn’t advertise fares so no one uses it as a result

Hardly a "massive downgrade" though. It loses nothing M-F, the 0557 on a Sat (plus two early morning journeys within Yate). It's only on a Sunday and arguably reflects the usage especially in the early morning.


The 100 is a mental as I thought it would be (and as @Citistar suspected). To illustrate that:

• When CT Coaches did the 179, it was 40 mins from High Littleton to Bath but Big Lemon will do it in 31 mins.
• X91 takes 21 mins from Imperial Park to Temple Meads - it's 11 mins on the 100.
• Chew to Imperial Park is 23 on X91 - it's 18 on the 100.
• High Littleton to Bishop Sutton isn't currently covered but it's 19 mins on 100 compared to 18 in a car!!

Eurocoaches not advertising the fares isn't going to massively impact usage on the 525, but unrealistic running times on the 100 will.

 

[Will1am]

• When CT Coaches did the 179, it was 40 mins from High Littleton to Bath but Big Lemon will do it in 31 mins.
• X91 takes 21 mins from Imperial Park to Temple Meads - it's 11 mins on the 100.
• Chew to Imperial Park is 23 on X91 - it's 18 on the 100.
• High Littleton to Bishop Sutton isn't currently covered but it's 19 mins on 100 compared to 18 in a car!!

Presumably lemon will be using electrics on the 100 and they’re assuming that’ll make it faster

 

[Buses in Bath]

Hardly a "massive downgrade" though. It loses nothing M-F, the 0557 on a Sat (plus two early morning journeys within Yate). It's only on a Sunday and arguably reflects the usage especially in the early morning.


The 100 is a mental as I thought it would be (and as @Citistar suspected). To illustrate that:

• When CT Coaches did the 179, it was 40 mins from High Littleton to Bath but Big Lemon will do it in 31 mins.
• X91 takes 21 mins from Imperial Park to Temple Meads - it's 11 mins on the 100.
• Chew to Imperial Park is 23 on X91 - it's 18 on the 100.
• High Littleton to Bishop Sutton isn't currently covered but it's 19 mins on 100 compared to 18 in a car!!

Eurocoaches not advertising the fares isn't going to massively impact usage on the 525, but unrealistic running times on the 100 will.

At least they have 20 mins to turn around at each end but will be interesting to see it in practice. As with the 20 in Bath you always seem to lose time if the driver has not got their foot to the ground. I think Imperial Park to Temple Meads in 11 mins might be the craziest part. I mean thats got to be a mistake right. Google Maps is telling me 20 mins in a car. Also stopping at the Ambury in Bath? Very strange

 

[Citistar]

I think Imperial Park to Temple Meads in 11 mins might be the craziest part.

Unless somebody has seen some helicopters being delivered to Parson Street...?

Also stopping at the Ambury in Bath? Very strange

Ambury seems to be becoming the new stop for the dumping everything that won't fit elsewhere. Since it's resurrection, 768 has utilised that stop. It's probably quicker than going in to the bus station (although at the moment with Manvers Street being closed, traffic around the bus station is working better than it ever has), but won't get any passing trade.