Siemens Staines
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Indeed there has, but never simultaneously as many as their booked number of diagrams required.
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Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates
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Indeed there has, but never simultaneously as many as their booked number of diagrams required.
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OneTrackMinded
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Positive experience on a 701 yesterday, specifically 701047.
The air conditioning thermostat change has made a significant positive difference, and the temperature is much more pleasant than previously.
Both toilets were working despite the unit being out all day, which suggests that water tank refill infrastructure has been improved.
The air conditioning thermostat change has made a significant positive difference, and the temperature is much more pleasant than previously.
Both toilets were working despite the unit being out all day, which suggests that water tank refill infrastructure has been improved.
Andy1673
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Interesting how many diagrams planned finally? 54, 55 or 56?
Goldfish62
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I've noticed fewer toilets out of use. I contacted SWR about the toilet issue a few weeks and they says they were shortly going to be able to fill the tanks more frequently, so it appears that's now happening.
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w11_supremecy
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There was a big discussion I was involved in a few weeks ago about the water browser situation, recently there is a browser that usually can be found on platforms 1-6. So that’s definitely helping. The air-con situation is also something that is being attended to and should continue to improve as well as depots and its staff learn better how to fine-tune the trains.
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Does anyone know which 701/5 is with the 93s?
TIA
701510...
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Looks to be another move from Bicester to Wimbledon on Tuesday 07th July. Couple of 0V71 moves have been put in but nothing for the drag yet.
GeoffS
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Thanks for the 701/5 info - and the advance info too.
Peter Sarf
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I have only spotted the Light Loco 0V71 from Wimbledon on Tuesday 07/07/2026. I assume perhaps the other 0V71 might be a light class 93 loco from Derby/Crewe - it might have even gone earlier than tomorrow so as to make sure the brakes etc on the 701 want to play ball.
My assumption is that 93005 is not yet fit to move from Clapham/Wimbledon after its brush with trees but that 93001 can go from Wimbledon. I am assuming all 701 moves from require top and tailing from Bicester to cater for the reversal(s) en route.
Of course it might be that the light loco 0V71 from Wimbledon is a pair of 93s if 93005 has been sorted out. Was it damage or just part of a tree sticking out (so out of gauge) ?.
Either way, until two 93s end up at Bicester I am not sure another 701/5 can be delivered.
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alanc
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Just to add that Ov71, 37501 and 37510 came down to Bicester from Derby earlier today, there might be another plan…
Peter Sarf
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Thanks, I had missed that move when I searched
.Bobcp
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Thanks, I had missed that move when I searched
I note however that the only move out of Bicester for tomorrow is a light engine move to Bletchley TMD.
Nothing showing as yet to Wimbledon.
Peter Sarf
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That Bicester to Bletchley TMD move (0Z70)
Is now accompanied by :-
A subsequent light loco move 0Z71 back to Bicester from Bletchley.
There is still the 0V71 Wimbledon to Bicester later on.
I wonder if the below is a making space move for the next delivery :-
Either way it does not look like a delivery as soon as today of one or two extra 701/5s, or the rest of the week.
No big deal as I feel a path will not go in the system until the units have been persuaded to talk to the loco(s).
Expensive having these locos hanging around at Bicester at the whim of a 701 !.
was mentioned last week
Siemens Staines
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45 701s covering their 50 diagrams this morning. One diagram 2*458/4, two diagrams 2*450 and two diagrams cancelled which were followed by stepping up and cancelling post morning peak ECSs
Train Cancellations
05:57 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 06:52
07:00 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 08:03
06:47 Twickenham to London Waterloo due 07:41
Train Formation Updates
458427 + 458426
06:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:29
07:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 08:52
09:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 09:56
10:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:19
11:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:26
12:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 13:49
14:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 14:58
15:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:19
16:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:28
17:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 18:49
19:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 19:56
20:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:19
21:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:26
22:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:49
00:03 London Waterloo to Staines due 00:43
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:07/07/2026 04:45
450010 + 450126
05:29 Wimbledon to Shepperton due 06:05
06:11 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 07:07
07:12 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 08:06
08:11 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 09:07
09:12 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 10:06
10:11 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 11:04
11:12 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 12:05
12:11 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 13:04
13:12 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 14:05
14:11 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 15:04
15:12 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 16:06
16:11 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 17:04
17:12 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 18:05
18:11 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 19:04
19:12 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 20:05
20:11 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 21:04
21:12 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 22:05
22:11 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 23:06
23:13 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 00:06
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10. Toilet facilities are reduced.
Last Updated:07/07/2026 05:16
450030 + 450033
06:09 Wimbledon to Chessington South due 06:27
06:34 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 07:13
07:20 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 07:57
08:04 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 08:43
08:50 London Waterloo to Woking due 09:38
10:03 Woking to London Waterloo due 10:52
11:03 London Waterloo to Guildford due 12:09
12:34 Guildford to London Waterloo due 13:37
13:47 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 14:23
14:34 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 15:10
15:20 London Waterloo to Woking due 16:08
16:33 Woking to London Waterloo due 17:22
17:36 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 18:15
18:23 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 19:01
19:23 London Waterloo to Dorking due 20:14
20:32 Dorking to London Waterloo due 21:26
21:36 London Waterloo to Hampton Court due 22:13
22:24 Hampton Court to London Waterloo due 23:03
23:10 London Waterloo to Dorking due 00:01
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:07/07/2026 04:53
Plus one of the 2*450 diagrams is a single 450
450004
10:34 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 11:10
11:17 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 11:53
12:04 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 12:40
12:50 London Waterloo to Woking due 13:38
14:03 Woking to London Waterloo due 14:52
15:03 London Waterloo to Guildford due 16:09
16:34 Guildford to London Waterloo due 17:37
17:47 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 18:24
18:34 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 19:10
19:20 London Waterloo to Woking due 20:09
20:34 Woking to London Waterloo due 21:22
21:33 London Waterloo to Guildford due 22:39
23:07 Guildford to Wimbledon due 23:52
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8.
Last Updated:07/07/2026 07:52
Many thanks for this - excellent info
Shepperton has to be one of the worst routes to put 450s on. There's obviously a reason why they have to, but still.
Siemens Staines
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Correct. The 9 absentees this morning were 701005,014,016,019,022,031,038,057,059. Of which 701022 & 701038 have appeared on evening peak trains, but 701036 that was out this morning has not appeared this evening. The three 8v10 all day diagrams are unchanged, so that still leaves a shortfall of 1 which currently is a cancelled Kingston loop diagram (1257/1430/1557). The 1730 is not yet shown as cancelled, but nothing is allocated to it and there does not look to be anything en-route to Waterloo to form it.
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The second I hit post, 2O51 came up as cancelled on darwin console which was no real surprise.
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17% of operational units out of action in a “brand new” fleet is pretty appalling.
Why can the 701/5 (in pairs) still not be put into passenger service? They are five years old! How hard can it be to drive an identical train that just happens to split in two? Even though you never have to. The British really are unique aren't they?
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They had to be splittable for the overnight depot stabling plans. If not essential they’d probably all have been built ten car in the first place.
SECR 65
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There are differences such as having two compressors on double units.
Also, all sorts of electrical systems will need to be connected, and crew will need to verify the safety of these connections.
Other things will be different such as the guard not being able to walk though.
And then comes the matter of actually uncoupling e.g. in an emergency.
It will take a conversion course for crews to be competent on the 5 cars.
Notwithstanding the fact that the individual units require preperation for service and fault free running / testing.
Peter Sarf
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Indeed. Better to focus on the 701s already in service (or have been) rather than adding more new units to the fleet with teething problems.