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Companies That You Expect to Disappear Soon

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Who didn't expect this to happen? Once we heard about plans to close stores, it was a given they'd push ahead.


The owner of TG Jones, WH Smith's former High Street business, has won approval for a sweeping restructuring which will see up to 150 shops close as well as steep rent cuts on most of the remaining stores.

Modella Capital bought the chain stores last year and they were then rebranded under the name TG Jones. There are currently 451 stores employing 4,700 workers.

WH Smith travel stores, in railway stations and airports, weren't part of the deal and the business kept the rights to the historic brand name.

But less than a year later, Modella announced a radical restructuring plan blaming "challenging retail conditions".

As well as store closures, some 120 landlords will receive no rent for up to three years; and rent will be cut on hundreds of other stores by between 15% and 75%.

Modella says the plans are vital for the survival of the business and will use some of the cost savings to invest in stores as part of its turnaround strategy.

The High Court heard this week that the retailer was on the brink of insolvency and was facing a cash shortfall of nearly £8m by the end of this week, unless the rescue deal was approved.

Tom Smith KC, for TG Jones, told the hearing that the business is "highly distressed" and "running on fumes at the moment".

He said the business would have ran out of cash in April had it not been for a £10m loan from Modella and a deferral in liabilities including a large tax bill from HMRC.

Modella said some of the problems were due to serious underinvestment in stores by the chain's previous owners, saying long-term sales had declined.

But it also blamed its current poor trading on "challenging retail conditions" and its inability to keep the WH Smith brand name.
 
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Why does the company need a loan from its own parent?

Also, the rents have been cut by up to 75 percent which seems unkind and unfair to some landlords
 

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Why does the company need a loan from its own parent?

Also, the rents have been cut by up to 75 percent which seems unkind and unfair to some landlords
They still haven't paid WHSmith the full value for the sale, either.

Initially they were being sold for £76m, then it finalised for £46 - but so far only £10m has actually been paid and shock horror - "£76 million), the remaining £32 million was deferred. This deferred payment is dependent on the future cash flows of the rebranded stores, now called TG Jones. Due to poor trading, creditors revealed WH Smith is unlikely to receive the rest of the money."
 

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Also, the rents have been cut by up to 75 percent which seems unkind and unfair to some landlords
I doubt many of the premises the shops are in are owned by little old ladies reliant on the income to supplement their state pension. Our pension funds maybe…
 

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I've had an email today that Halifax are rebranding as Lloyds. So that brand will disappear. I expect any towns and cities with both a Lloyds and Halifax branch to lose at least one of them. Probably the Halifax one to save on rebranding. I don't know if they might rebrand some Halifax branches as Lloyds where there isn't a Lloyds branch.
 

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What do you mean negotiated? They legally weren't allowed to keep the name.

I mean that they negotiated with WH Smith and agreed to pay a sum of money for some of their shops, with certain conditions attached. The point is that claiming not being “allowed” to keep the name as a reason for their failure in a way that suggests it’s somehow unfair on them is disingenuous- they knew exactly what they were signing up to
 

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I've had an email today that Halifax are rebranding as Lloyds. So that brand will disappear. I expect any towns and cities with both a Lloyds and Halifax branch to lose at least one of them. Probably the Halifax one to save on rebranding. I don't know if they might rebrand some Halifax branches as Lloyds where there isn't a Lloyds branch.
Caught me off-guard this one, but it does sort of make sense, especially as banks continue to close bricks and mortar branches.

It does make you wonder about the future of the old high street banks though. TSB was merged with Lloyds to make Lloyds TSB which then just reverted to Lloyds later on. Lloyds Banking Group planning nearly 200 branch closures in 2026-2027. Virgin Money has been acquired by Nationwide. Etc. It seems the old high street banks are merging into big hitters. In the meantime, the likes of Monzo, Starling, and as of a couple of months ago, Revolut are on the rise, but don't feel the need to have a high street presence and instead use Post Office services (which, strangely enough, may provide a saving grace for a few TG Jones') Even NatWest are in on it, offering the full banking service to Mettle (doing better than their attempt with Bo!) I do think physical bank branches are going to quickly become a diminished number and we'll be doing all our in-person bank at "banking hubs" and Post Offices and it'll happen quicker than many realise.
 

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Can WH Smith ask for assets to be sold off or even transferred back to them to get the amount owed?
Unlikely unless there was a clause to that effect in the sale and purchase contract.

The buyers knew exactly what their game plan was going to be post purchase and it is now following pretty much in line with that game plan.

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Caught me off-guard this one, but it does sort of make sense, especially as banks continue to close bricks and mortar branches.

It does make you wonder about the future of the old high street banks though. TSB was merged with Lloyds to make Lloyds TSB which then just reverted to Lloyds later on. Lloyds Banking Group planning nearly 200 branch closures in 2026-2027. Virgin Money has been acquired by Nationwide. Etc. It seems the old high street banks are merging into big hitters. In the meantime, the likes of Monzo, Starling, and as of a couple of months ago, Revolut are on the rise, but don't feel the need to have a high street presence and instead use Post Office services (which, strangely enough, may provide a saving grace for a few TG Jones') Even NatWest are in on it, offering the full banking service to Mettle (doing better than their attempt with Bo!) I do think physical bank branches are going to quickly become a diminished number and we'll be doing all our in-person bank at "banking hubs" and Post Offices and it'll happen quicker than many realise.
Actually TSB remained a separate brand and was then spun out again from Lloyds, bought by another group and now sold to Santander
 
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Actually TSB remained a separate brand and was then spun out again from Lloyds, bought by another group and now sold to Santander
I was careful with my wording!

TSB was sort of reverse-acquired by Lloyds, in the form of Lloyds leaving the stock market, TSB being renamed Lloyds TSB with Lloyds shareholders gaining a majority share of Lloyds TSB, before being fully transferred to the (then-unlisted) Lloyds.

It did revert to separate Lloyds and TSB branding, and there was a controversial assignment of customers to either Lloyds/TSB. It was forced to do this by EU competition law owing to the bailouts we gave them in 2008.

It was otherwise an acquisition in all-but-name.
 

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Who didn't expect this to happen? Once we heard about plans to close stores, it was a given they'd push ahead.


To me, the only surprise is that it's took this long.

When your business model consists of selling pens, dairy milk and bottles of water for more than double the price of the Poundland next door, in stores that haven't had a new carpet since 1995, it's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens.
 

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I've had an email today that Halifax are rebranding as Lloyds. So that brand will disappear. I expect any towns and cities with both a Lloyds and Halifax branch to lose at least one of them. Probably the Halifax one to save on rebranding. I don't know if they might rebrand some Halifax branches as Lloyds where there isn't a Lloyds branch.
We are one of the affected towns, we have a Halifax at one end of the main shopping street and a Lloyds at the other end. We had already been told the Halifax branch will be closed around the end of Summer; to be fair the remains of the dying shopping centre (Boots, M&S & Timpsons remain) is closer to the Lloyds (although Natwest have already abandoned the site adjacent to Lloyds..).
 

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To me, the only surprise is that it's took this long.

When your business model consists of selling pens, dairy milk and bottles of water for more than double the price of the Poundland next door, in stores that haven't had a new carpet since 1995, it's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens.
I believe the only reason it took so long was because as part of the conditions of the sale they had to keep all stores open for a year.
The one in Weymouth seems to mainly be used as a covered walkway between the two shopping streets and is pretty run down.
 

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I've had an email today that Halifax are rebranding as Lloyds. So that brand will disappear. I expect any towns and cities with both a Lloyds and Halifax branch to lose at least one of them. Probably the Halifax one to save on rebranding. I don't know if they might rebrand some Halifax branches as Lloyds where there isn't a Lloyds branch.
Interestingly her in Llandudno the Lloyds branch is closing with the Halifax branch being rebranded
 

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Interestingly her in Llandudno the Lloyds branch is closing with the Halifax branch being rebranded

I presume that’s down to location or the relative costs of the two sites. There’ll be plenty of other similar cases
 

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Caught me off-guard this one, but it does sort of make sense, especially as banks continue to close bricks and mortar branches.

It does make you wonder about the future of the old high street banks though. TSB was merged with Lloyds to make Lloyds TSB which then just reverted to Lloyds later on. Lloyds Banking Group planning nearly 200 branch closures in 2026-2027. Virgin Money has been acquired by Nationwide. Etc. It seems the old high street banks are merging into big hitters. In the meantime, the likes of Monzo, Starling, and as of a couple of months ago, Revolut are on the rise, but don't feel the need to have a high street presence and instead use Post Office services (which, strangely enough, may provide a saving grace for a few TG Jones') Even NatWest are in on it, offering the full banking service to Mettle (doing better than their attempt with Bo!) I do think physical bank branches are going to quickly become a diminished number and we'll be doing all our in-person bank at "banking hubs" and Post Offices and it'll happen quicker than many realise.
The high street brands will become just another banking option, with zero customer loyalty.

In fact, to be honest, for most people that is already the case. When I opened my first bank account there was a Bank of Scotland at the end of my street, a Clydesdale Bank further down, and I knew people who worked in them. That does not apply at all to a kid opening their first account today.

As long as facilities exist for paying in and withdrawing cash; depositing cheques; withdrawing change for businesses then there is really not much need for physical branches at all. And all these activities are in decline anyway. The only other activity for which in person banking is really required is complex complaints, business meetings and probate. For these maybe a handful of regional offices, remote meetings, and meetings in public settings may suffice.

In ten years time we may be reading about NatWest being bought over by Monzo!
 

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Why does the company need a loan from its own parent?

Also, the rents have been cut by up to 75 percent which seems unkind and unfair to some landlords
Considering how many empty Debenhams, BHS and other stores are still around, the landlords have to ask what’s better? 25% of something or 0% of nothing?

It’s also likely that high street rent rates are still based on when high street had ten times more footfall
 

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I've had an email today that Halifax are rebranding as Lloyds. So that brand will disappear. I expect any towns and cities with both a Lloyds and Halifax branch to lose at least one of them. Probably the Halifax one to save on rebranding. I don't know if they might rebrand some Halifax branches as Lloyds where there isn't a Lloyds branch.

Already happening, the Lloyds branch in Sheffield Centre near Cathedral tram stop will close in January 2027 with customers told to go to the current Halifax branch on the Moor
 

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The high street brands will become just another banking option, with zero customer loyalty.

In fact, to be honest, for most people that is already the case. When I opened my first bank account there was a Bank of Scotland at the end of my street, a Clydesdale Bank further down, and I knew people who worked in them. That does not apply at all to a kid opening their first account today.

As long as facilities exist for paying in and withdrawing cash; depositing cheques; withdrawing change for businesses then there is really not much need for physical branches at all. And all these activities are in decline anyway. The only other activity for which in person banking is really required is complex complaints, business meetings and probate. For these maybe a handful of regional offices, remote meetings, and meetings in public settings may suffice.

In ten years time we may be reading about NatWest being bought over by Monzo!
Personal banking is a small percentage of most banks activities. Few people visit or need to visit a high street branch. A few years ago I needed to visit my bank. I went to my nearest branch only to see it was closed and a sign in the window dated 6 months previous staying it was going to close. Fair enough I thought I had had no need to visit in years. 99.9% of all interactions do no require a visit to a branch.

The other 0.1% can be dealt with at a regional hub.
 

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Already happening, the Lloyds branch in Sheffield Centre near Cathedral tram stop will close in January 2027 with customers told to go to the current Halifax branch on the Moor
I have a Lloyd’s credit card and a Bank of Scotland current account and when I open the app for one of them it flashes up the logos of both, plus that of, Halifax and says, “part of the same family”. I can also use one app for all the purposes of the other eg I can send money from my BoS account using my Lloyds app.

Presumably however the Bank of Scotland brand will be retained- there would probably be an outcry about it in the Scottish Parliament.

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Considering how many empty Debenhams, BHS and other stores are still around, the landlords have to ask what’s better? 25% of something or 0% of nothing?

It’s also likely that high street rent rates are still based on when high street had ten times more footfall
One reason the high street is so dead is because of the awful rents being charged. Oddly when conservative politicians are (rightly) criticising high rates, wages, regulations, energy they omit to mention landlords, which are often the biggest expense…funny that!

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Personal banking is a small percentage of most banks activities. Few people visit or need to visit a high street branch. A few years ago I needed to visit my bank. I went to my nearest branch only to see it was closed and a sign in the window dated 6 months previous staying it was going to close. Fair enough I thought I had had no need to visit in years. 99.9% of all interactions do no require a visit to a branch.

The other 0.1% can be dealt with at a regional hub.
Agreed. Technology has done for bricks and mortar banks- a shame in a way as they occupied lots of units and employed many people, but irreversible.
 

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Personal banking is a small percentage of most banks activities. Few people visit or need to visit a high street branch. A few years ago I needed to visit my bank. I went to my nearest branch only to see it was closed and a sign in the window dated 6 months previous staying it was going to close. Fair enough I thought I had had no need to visit in years. 99.9% of all interactions do no require a visit to a branch.

The other 0.1% can be dealt with at a regional hub.
I found it very useful to still have our town's branch when my parents died and I was dealing with the estate and probate, with all the forms etc. would have both hated and worried if vital documents had to be sent through the post.

I know banking hubs are being set up in a lot of paces where several branches have closed, but I doubt they would be able to handle probate, power of attorney etc?
 

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There are too many incentives these days NOT to be a 'loyal' customer to a particular bank when you can just switch to another one for 5 minutes work and they'll give you £200 or so just for doing so, rinse and repeat until like me you've been pretty much been round the lot and aren't eligible for any more switching offers!

Same with saving and ISA accounts, most will tempt you in with an attractive rate but only for the first 12 months then you have to move around again because the rate plummets off a cliff

Halifax (the town) no longer having a Halifax is an unfourtunate casualty though!
 

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The high street brands will become just another banking option, with zero customer loyalty.

In fact, to be honest, for most people that is already the case. When I opened my first bank account there was a Bank of Scotland at the end of my street, a Clydesdale Bank further down, and I knew people who worked in them. That does not apply at all to a kid opening their first account today.
My first account was one that my parents opened at the Bradford and Bingley, but the first one that I opened myself was a Halifax Little Xtra account. It wasn't even at a Halifax branch, but a "local agent" that operated from a solicitor's office in the village. There are still a few of those around, but they must also be dwindling in number. At that time my village had a branch of the Clydesdale Bank that was open 5 days a week; changed days.

As long as facilities exist for paying in and withdrawing cash; depositing cheques; withdrawing change for businesses then there is really not much need for physical branches at all. And all these activities are in decline anyway. The only other activity for which in person banking is really required is complex complaints, business meetings and probate. For these maybe a handful of regional offices, remote meetings, and meetings in public settings may suffice.
I still think there's a need for physical locations, although banking hubs should fulfil this requirement. If they had any sense they'd merge these in with the Post Office.

In ten years time we may be reading about NatWest being bought over by Monzo!
That doesn't sound particularly far-fetched. I've been using Curve (a debit card service/app that allows you to link multiple cards into one physical card) and was advised that it was being acquired by Lloyds; you might find that Monzo is taken over by one of the established banking groups than the other way around.
 

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My Parents had a Mortgage with the Halifax. As there was not a branch in the High Street. Payment had to be made by cheque, to a firm of Solicitors. I remember my father taking the paying in book up to reception.
 

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There are too many incentives these days NOT to be a 'loyal' customer to a particular bank when you can just switch to another one for 5 minutes work and they'll give you £200 or so just for doing so, rinse and repeat until like me you've been pretty much been round the lot and aren't eligible for any more switching offers!
I do this every year. I have a main bank account, then a bonus bank account. The bonus one has two charity direct debits coming out of it and every month a chunk of salary gets transferred into it then straight back out again (minus the funds for the DDs). Use the current account switching service and switching to another bank is super simple.

See also: SIPPs (just make sure they do transfers in situ and watch out for fees). Make thousands from doing this one.

Have a few savings accounts dotted around purely to take advantage of small offers or competitions.

It does require putting a little effort in sometimes but usually January is prime time for a lot of these switching offers, so you can somewhat keep it to being something you do a couple of times a year.
 

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Personal banking is a small percentage of most banks activities. Few people visit or need to visit a high street branch.

The other 0.1% can be dealt with at a regional hub.
I’d quibble a bit with the 0.1% but agree in principle. However, if things are going that way then those hubs need to be open when people who work for a living can visit them - ie evenings (not necessarily all of them) and weekends -including cash handling. A fair (though admittedly small) amount of that online business will be for want of any viable alternative.
 

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My Parents had a Mortgage with the Halifax. As there was not a branch in the High Street. Payment had to be made by cheque, to a firm of Solicitors. I remember my father taking the paying in book up to reception.
The solicitors would have been Agents of the Halifax, selling their mortgages and savings accounts and handling deposits, withdrawals and mortgage repayments. Agents were typically estate agents, accountants or, as in your case, solicitors. Monmouthshire, my local Building Society, still has a number of them.
 

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