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Class 175s to GWR

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Plymouth drivers drive 57s to and from Penzance with the sleepers. GWR drivers bring Voyagers on and off Laira as XC AFAIK don’t sign LA.
Small correction, GWR drivers drive Voyagers ON Laira depot, but we are not allowed to drive them off the depot into the station. Something to do with insurance apparently. If GBR is going to bring in efficiencies, this would be a good start.
 
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A lot of foibles get 'ironed out' by simply knowing "if x happens, do y" (or "to prevent x happening, do z"), whether that's resetting a breaker, checking a particular sensor or kicking the stuck mechanism in exactly the right place...

All of that knowledge is in people's heads, and very few staff have transferred from TfW with the units.

Even if more than a fraction of it was documented (which organizations are very bad at doing for informally-gathered information), and that documentation is available to GWR rather than being buried in some TfW/CAF system at Chester, people don't instantly memorize the entire manual.

You go from a 1-minute "I'll just sort that" to a 10-minute "let me look that up in the book", some trial-and-error or a long wait for a fitter.

A number of valid points expressed.

How much 175 information is still retained on TfW/CAF systems this far past withdrawal, I suspect, is minimal if any at all.

It`s all the information on Alstom`s systems that was accrued over the years regarding 175s that`s the important stuff along with the practical knowledge and expertise the maintenance teams possessed.

How much of the plethora of Alstom documents, procedures, software/diagnostic equipment from day 1 of the 175s at Chester has been passed over to or even been made available to GWR, I don`t know, but without these it will be very difficult to maintain the units reliably as the GWR staff don`t have the 175 knowledge base just at the moment.

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How involved are Alstom in these units nowadays?

I have been wondering that also along with what technical support was included in the package that is being supplied to GWR ?

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The units were the most reliable in the fleet until CAF took over the maintenance when the 197 transition began. The unit reliability fell off a cliff after that.

I have to disagree slightly that reliability fell off the cliff but I will concede that it did slip as the transition progressed and not being helped by the friction between the two companies as June 22 got nearer and nearer.
 
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I have been wondering that also along with what technical support was included in the package that is being supplied to GWR ?

File sharing between privatised TOCs from my experience with routes seems pretty abysmal. So with traction I’d imagine it might be the same.
 

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File sharing between privatised TOCs from my experience with routes seems pretty abysmal. So with traction I’d imagine it might be the same.

How, without all the relevant information, are GWR supposed to maintain the fleet is beyond me !
 

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So, have TfW just handed over all of their info on 175s to GWR as a goodwill gesture?

I wouldn`t know and you have to remember that Alstom was the maintenance provider not TfW and TfW only had very limited access to 175 information as I recall but it did include access to the VMI, Traintracer which was the remote data downloading programme, and I think that they had some partial access to SAP which was the system that all maintenance activities were recorded and planned.. TfW had there own system where their entire fleet maintenance activities were recorded, including 175s, but for the life of me I can`t` remember what that system is called at the moment.
 

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Plymouth drivers drive 57s to and from Penzance with the sleepers. GWR drivers bring Voyagers on and off Laira as XC AFAIK don’t sign LA.
Incorrect.
GWR Drivers only move Voyagers ‘within’ Laira Depot.
AXC Drivers take them to/from Plymouth station.
 

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This site has links with the train database and it is usually edited quite quickly, but 175004s move to Exeter hasn't been. The site says you can edit it but doesn't work for me.
 

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This site has links with the train database and it is usually edited quite quickly, but 175004s move to Exeter hasn't been. The site says you can edit it but doesn't work for me.
Have made the changes :D
Not entirely sure why you can't edit, as it's a public spreadsheet, however there are two different links, one to edit and one to just view.
 

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So embarrassing. Cant believe there’s still people trying to shut down those calling out these units. It’s so cringe
 

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Have made the changes :D
Not entirely sure why you can't edit, as it's a public spreadsheet, however there are two different links, one to edit and one to just view.
Thanks for updating. I did use the link on the first page but just brought up a blank spread sheet for me. I don't know if you have to be registered?

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I don't know what it is but 007 seems to be a rather significant trouble maker!
007 was the first 175 into Paignton Mon and Tues 16/17 June, but with no problems (passengers).

I have become disillusioned with this train as GWR have 16 and only one extra train has been provided (Newquay). No improvements of services. anywhere else. Yesterday other trains were cancelled, short formed (Barnstaple leaving a two hour gaps during the day. Paignton a cancellation and a short form.
 
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First 175 to stop at Starcross today, 175009.

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009 had some sort of issue today.
I do find it kind of sad to see the units in this state considering how well they used to work in Wales only a few years ago.
They ran a reduced service today as many units are at Laira for work. Such a shame, really.
 
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Only 175001, 175009, 175114 seem to be in passenger service and no training trains. 3/16 not great.
Keep in mind that quite a few of the 16 are not currently available.

175004, 175010, 175113 and 175116 as they all have either recently arrived or not available yet.

Then again, 3 of 12 isn't particularly great either.
 

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Only 175001, 175009, 175114 seem to be in passenger service and no training trains. 3/16 not great.
A league table of a units passenger service appearances would make interesting reading.

However you look at it, its now over 22 months since 175 lease to GWR was announcedas a Voluntary Transparency Notice (VTN)
This VTN sets out First Greater Western Limited's ("GWR") intention to award a contract to Angel Trains Limited for the leasing of 70 x Class 175 Diesel Multiple Unit vehicles.
The contract will have provisions to potentially run until 2032.
This VTN sets out GWR's intention to award a contract to Angel Trains Limited for the leasing of 70 x Class 175 Diesel Multiple Unit vehicles, to be in service from May 2025 on Devon and Cornwall routes.


Just 3 units after 22 months, or 13 months from expected in service date in the transparency notice is dismal by any parameter
 

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I've heard today that apparently 175005 has recently been moved by road from Ely to Wolverton.

Not 100% sure if this is true, but hopefully some more information about it might become available soon.
 

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I've heard today that apparently 175005 has recently been moved by road from Ely to Wolverton.

Not 100% sure if this is true, but hopefully some more information about it might become available soon.
If it has, this suggests the unit has bogie or some other issues that prevents a rail drag, so could be in Wolverton for longer than other units so far.
 

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I've heard today that apparently 175005 has recently been moved by road from Ely to Wolverton.

Not 100% sure if this is true, but hopefully some more information about it might become available soon.
It's true, I've seen photos.

Both coaches taken by road. Likely the result of the cold storage and them now being deemed unsafe to transport via the rail network.
 

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When all the 175s are ready and in service again, is there a chance they'll finally be put back into their original formations? Or is there just too many mis-matched carriages for it to be viable?
 
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When all the 175s are ready and in service again, is there a chance they'll finally be put back into their original formations? Or is there just too many mis-matched carriages for it to be viable?
With the exception of 008/101 it could be done, but I doubt they will consider it worth the effort.
 

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Going by the above then; Train database is already updated.

Ely :2: 175008, 175104 (175008 is in two halves)

Wolverton : 9 : 175005. 175102/103/105/106/107/108/109/110

Laira : 14: 175002/007/009, 175114 ex Ely; 175001/003/006/011, 175101/111/112/113/115/116 ex Wolverton

Exeter : 1 : 175004 ex Wolverton

Long Rock : 1 : 175010 ex Ely

as of 1 July 2026
 

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