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Altnabreac station and the various legal disputes around it

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It's also possible the couple could look for other people to help them cover the fine.
They do have a GoFundMe page set up, created in 2024 with a target of £10k. It has raised £2,878.

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What is the type of Community Service that could be suitable in the area of Altabreac and who would be monitoring it?
My understanding of community orders in England&Wales is that they're actually quite flexible. If you're given say 100 hours of community service you'll be given for example 12 months to do it and you can either cram it into 3 weeks full time work, or do a couple of hours a week for a year. I imagine a lot of people, especially if unemployed, would rather get it done sooner rather than later so it's done and dusted.

In Scotland there's a guidance page on CPOs: https://www.scottishsentencingcouncil.org.uk/sentencing-information/community-sentences

All quite hypothetical at this point though.
 
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I can see them pushing the gofundme quite hard in the future! Would be quite funny if we could help them with that! They have given us quite a bit of entertainment here!
 

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Purely speculative on my part, of course, but surely the community service could be spent doing litter picking... I have not had the pleasure of visiting Wick, but one can only presume that the area around, for example, Wick station must be very bad indeed
 

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Purely speculative on my part, of course, but surely the community service could be spent doing litter picking... I have not had the pleasure of visiting Wick, but one can only presume that the area around, for example, Wick station must be very bad indeed
A very common activity for community service in West Yorkshire is cleaning graffiti off walls, windows, etc. Not sure how much graffiti there is in Wick, but I suspect that there may be some.
 

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Rather then community service being carried out in Wick (or Thurso), the service could be done in Helmsdale, as the 2nd train of the day gets there before 10:00! ;)
 

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Rather then community service being carried out in Wick (or Thurso), the service could be done in Helmsdale, as the 2nd train of the day gets there before 10:00! ;)
Would that be fair on the supervisors, as I can't imagine there are many in Helmsdale!
 

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A busy couple of days and completely forgot to update this thread.

On Wednesday there was a pre-proof by order hearing for the EE case. Normally these are mostly brief procedural hearings, but as has become the norm in the Altnabreac cases, it was a bit more interesting than normal.

Elizabeth made a number of arguments that the case wasn't legally sound, EE had brought in new evidence, arguments of relevancy and competency were brought up, etc.

In short - Lord Lake ruled that much of this would be an issue for the Appeal Court, but that even if it was in his jurisdiction he would likely reject such motions as being filed too late combined with the amount of time spent on this case already. He did however accept that one of EE's witness statements warranted Ian and Elizabeth being given an opportunity to consider and respond to. They've been given a hearing slot 11am-3pm on the 28th May (Thursday next week) to deal with evidential matters including the witness statements, which can be attended remotely. Lawyers for EE didn't appear particularly happy and mentioned how the case is being delayed (something they mentioned last time as well) by filings being made which are actually just supposed defences, and Lord Lake agreed. Everything is now to be submitted by Wednesday, in theory, and Lord Lake will consider whether to accept any late filings. There was a bit of to-and-fro about EE allegedly being more accommodated for by the courts than the cottage owners, but the argument didn't really go anywhere.

I think the court's been quite generous with them to be honest, but it's clearly coming to a pinch point.
 

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In short - Lord Lake ruled that much of this would be an issue for the Appeal Court, but that even if it was in his jurisdiction he would likely reject such motions as being filed too late combined with the amount of time spent on this case already. He did however accept that one of EE's witness statements warranted Ian and Elizabeth being given an opportunity to consider and respond to. They've been given a hearing slot 11am-3pm on the 28th May (Thursday next week) to deal with evidential matters including the witness statements, which can be attended remotely.
How did that 4-hour hearing, scheduled for yesterday, proceed?
 

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How did that 4-hour hearing, scheduled for yesterday, proceed?
I was in an all-day in-person meeting, so couldn't attend. Suppose I could've asked the clerk for a video link, but not sure everyone in my meeting would've wanted to hear it :D

There's a discussion over on https://www.youtube.com/@AltnabreacTowersMiniSeries/community but it's more snippets than a full report.

It sounds like the TLDR is that EE presented a map and witness statement from a solicitor showing that Caledonia Forest Land Investments Limited (CFIL) granted EE permission to use the land including the level crossing. The couple argue it should be dismissed because they didn't have enough time to review and respond to it, and that they have their own bit of evidence to submit which will refute this claim. Some of EE's evidence was permitted, and some excluded as not relevant. The couple have apparently been given leave to submit their evidence, and to explain why it wasn't submitted sooner (if it's the same evidence they alluded to last time, that does mean they've had quite a while to submit it). Edit: on the more detailed report this morning, it seems as though they weren't given leave to submit further evidence, having had it explained to them that they've had sufficient time. Two different accounts from two different people there...

That's just my summary of the post on that YT channel though. Like I say, I didn't observe it.

It feels to me like this has turned into a court hearing by proxy - one side submits evidence, the other side is given time to review it before having a mini hearing about it; then the other side submits counter-evidence, the other side is given time to review it before having a mini hearing about it; etc. I'm not sure this is better than saying both parties have one final chance to submit any and all witness statements and evidence, sharing it in advance, then having the full hearing; but then I'm not a senator of the college of justice!
 
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Reported on the YouTube ‘Altnabreac News Channel’ that Appleby & Howe were found guilty on 7 of 11 charges of contempt, sentencing on 12 June.


No mention on either the Inverness Courier or J o'G Journal websites of any further activity.
Does anyone know whether the session planned for yesterday was deferred?
Perhaps I missed something since this report?
(Nothing listed for this week at Inverness or Wick on the Scottish Courts website).

There was another contribution yesterday on the "Altnabreac News Channel" on YouTube, reference being made to a "1979 Disposition Deed Plan" which had been claimed to show that the owner of the Station Cottage "also owned several miles of the Far North Rail Line".
The contents of various versions of title deeds have been quoted many times already, and the extent of this claim is rather more than I'd seen previously.
I don't feel any wiser, and it didn't relate to what I'd anticipated being reported on after the hearing expected yesterday, so haven't added a link here to avoid raising expectations.
 

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No mention on either the Inverness Courier or J o'G Journal websites of any further activity.
Does anyone know whether the session planned for yesterday was deferred?
Perhaps I missed something since this report?
(Nothing listed for this week at Inverness or Wick on the Scottish Courts website).

There was another contribution yesterday on the "Altnabreac News Channel" on YouTube, reference being made to a "1979 Disposition Deed Plan" which had been claimed to show that the owner of the Station Cottage "also owned several miles of the Far North Rail Line".
The contents of various versions of title deeds have been quoted many times already, and the extent of this claim is rather more than I'd seen previously.
I don't feel any wiser, and it didn't relate to what I'd anticipated being reported on after the hearing expected yesterday, so haven't added a link here to avoid raising expectations.
12 June was a sentencing hearing (at Inverness Sheriff Court (civil)) for the contempt case/s.

The 1979 disposition includes a plan showing two large plots of land north and south of the railway. As copied to the internet it is neither use nor ornament for deciding the exact location of any boundary. The ink lines probably scale up to 50 yards wide! The text is all in legalese so I shall leave that to people who can understand such arcane verbosity.
 

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12 June was a sentencing hearing (at Inverness Sheriff Court (civil)) for the contempt case/s.
That date had been mentioned upthread so I checked the local press for coverage, then found it wasn't one of the five cases listed (as of yesterday) on the Scottish Courts website for the Inverness Sheriff Court (Civil) Rolls for Friday 12th June, nor is it listed for Inverness or Wick in the coming week.

And, yes, it does seem that the 1979 disposition is being interpreted as suits in the same way as the many spurious arguments that most of us aren't going to wrack our brains over.
In summary, we don't seem to be any further forward. Again.
 
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Paying the latest instalment of the Council Tax. I saw that, in addition to the statement about Freeman of the Land. There is another one, advising that the Council do not enter into hypothetical discussions about legal points. That are time-consuming and of no value.
 

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Paying the latest instalment of the Council Tax. I saw that, in addition to the statement about Freeman of the Land. There is another one, advising that the Council do not enter into hypothetical discussions about legal points. That are time-consuming and of no value.
Bristol City Council does the same. It’s clear that councils have lost patience with loads of questions and FOI requests on the subject (see also “Sovereign Citizens”.)
 

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The couple are in court tomorrow in Wick for the substantive hearing in their endangering life trial for the level crossing incidents.

Not entirely unrelated, but a bit tangential, but they're also in Wick court on Wednesday for a civil action brought by their creepy neighbour, Kevin Booth (and others). I'm assuming this relates to the non-harassment interdict issued against the couple in favour of Booth and his acquaintances on 19th May 2023 for 3 years, which will have now lapsed; presumably he's seeking to renew it.

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There is a WebEx link available for the hearing on Wednesday which is being held online. The links may be unique so I won't share; if you want to join, you can email wick@scotcourts.gov.uk for a link.

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From the JoG Journal:


The trial of a couple accused of risking lives on the rail line in Caithness finally got under way on Tuesday despite a further attempt to delay proceedings.

Elizabeth Howe (50) and Ian Appleby (49) appeared at Wick Sheriff Court in relation to a series of incidents that were alleged to have taken place over two years ago.

Altnabreac station. Picture: Google Earth
The pair had previously pleaded not guilty to putting themselves and others in danger by standing on a level crossing as several trains were approaching.

The Christian couple, who are representing themselves in court, are accused of attempting to stop trains proceeding close to Altnabreac railway station.

The pair also vehemently deny behaving in a threatening or abusive manner towards British Transport Police constables Matthew O’Neill and Scott Chapman, while they were executing their lawful duty.

On the first day of the trial, the two co-accused covered a wide-ranging number of issues, including land ownership, breach of the peace and trespass laws.

Despite Appleby initially telling the court the pair were not in a position to proceed to trial due to outstanding video evidence they had not yet been able to get hold of from Network Rail, Sheriff Ian Cruickshank dismissed these concerns.

He asked whether the couple were conducting a phishing exercise in their quest to seek further video evidence.

Wick Sheriff Court.
Appleby said that to proceed to trial without sufficient access to all the evidence would prejudice their right to a fair trial under article six of the Human Rights Act.

Sheriff Cruickshank told them that because video evidence was not considered a document, they could not demand to see it.

He instructed fiscal depute Grant McLennan to proceed, and later noted that this was the sixth time the case had come before the court.

The disputed incidents are said to have taken place on March 1, 2024.

Appleby and Howe have been accused of acting recklessly and with utter disregard for the consequences by attempting to stop four trains passing barriers at the level crossing.

Howe said there were many facts disputed between the Crown and the defence, for example relating to speed restrictions in place at the time of the incidents.

PC O’Neill, who has served for 23 years and works for British Transport Police, told the court how at around 9.15am he’d received a call from the control room about people on the crossing stopping trains proceeding.

The PC said he was already aware of a history of tensions relating to land ownership between the couple and Network Rail.

He said he’d viewed video footage of the couple attempting to stop trains earlier that day (taken by a train conductor on a mobile phone) as his colleague PC Chapman drove them to Altnabreac.

Shortly after the PCs arrived, the couple refused to leave the crossing, allegedly telling the PC that he couldn’t make them leave because it was “their land”.

When a train arrived at the crossing, the PC told the court he eventually took hold of Appleby by cuff and collar and led him to safety.

PC O’Neill said PC Chapman was dealing with Howe at this time.

At one point PC O’Neill snatched and pocketed Howe’s phone, which she was recording on at the time, for use as evidence.

After the train moved on, PC O’Neill said the couple became “incandescent with rage”.

Appleby was alleged to have called the PCs “bloody corrupt b*stards”.

Both parties, who live at the former station house at Altnabreac, were described as very irate and allegedly claimed the officer had no right to stop them.

During Howe’s lengthy cross-examination of PC O’Neill, Sheriff Cruickshank warned her she could only question him for another 30 minutes.

Sheriff Cruickshank repeatedly intervened to advise Ms Howe to stick to relevant lines of questioning.

She asked PC O’Neill to tell the court what she’d said to him on the day.

He replied that she’d called him the “anti-Christ” and “the devil”.

Howe denied this and said she’d actually asked him if he was “anti-Christian”.

The trial continues.
 
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I have found this report online of the proceedings. Apologies that I can’t provide a summary in line with forum rules at the moment, but I hope this is helpful.

The case continues, not sure how long it is going to last.

 

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What was the outcome of yesterday's substantive hearing at Wick?
Posted a write up for the JoG Journal above.

Basically the couple were cross examining the first witness and that took the entire day. There are more witnesses yet. So it's going to continue on 26th October, with 4 days currently allocated to it.
 

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As for this morning's civil hearing, it's been continued until the 10th July 10AM, both to avoid a conflict of interest as this morning's sheriff is also dealing with other cases with the couple, and because the couple haven't been served the full paperwork to respond to.
 

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Is there provision under Scots Law to place a time limit on the proceedings?
In fairness the most recent delay appears to have been court scheduling rather than any fault of the station cottage couple. Arguably the cross-examination could've been quicker, but it's their right to question, and I think either way only scheduling one day for this was optimistic.
 

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Arguably the cross-examination could've been quicker, but it's their right to question
Depends whether they are asking pertinent questions or whether they are just nit-picking to drag things out even more.
 

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Depends whether they are asking pertinent questions or whether they are just nit-picking to drag things out even more.
They were reminded a couple of times by the sheriff to keep on-topic (basically). While I do find Elizabeth's oratory to be quite slow, repetitive, and sometimes off-topic, I don't think a lot of it is malicious - I think it's just a misguided sense of what's relevant and ability to make concise points.

These cases have also suffered from being separate but tightly-related. For example, in this level crossing incident, the original claim of the couple was that they owned the land the level crossing was on, so it couldn't be trespass. This relates to their denying Network Rail and ScotRail use of their driveway, and it relates to the civil claim EE have brought against them for use of the crossing which is nearing completion. It means that while they may not be sat in a hearing determining who owns the level crossing, it is a relevant point to raise when determining whether trespass has occurred (notwithstanding that trespass on railway property is a specific offence compared with most instances of trespass which are civil matters, or indeed the 'right to roam' which exists in Scotland). It basically has become very messy. The station cottage couple want to raise some points which the courts basically deem not relevant to a particular case, but the couple argue are all relevant because the cases are all really related.

I feel it's all coming to a close though, as sheriffs and lord advocates are becoming stricter with how proceedings are held in these cases. This level crossing incident has been brought to court 6 times now and I think even the station cottage couple would have to concede that taking 2+ years with 6+ attempted hearings is a bit of a farce. I know they want to appeal on the basis of the Human Rights Act, but even accepting that, it shouldn't be stalled in the Scottish courts for as much as it has been.

As a bit of pure speculation - if I thought I were on track to lose my home because of a civil claim by a company as large as EE, I would probably do everything I could to delay proceedings, so I wouldn't particularly blame them if this is actually the intention (not saying it is).
 

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They were reminded a couple of times by the sheriff to keep on-topic (basically). While I do find Elizabeth's oratory to be quite slow, repetitive, and sometimes off-topic, I don't think a lot of it is malicious - I think it's just a misguided sense of what's relevant and ability to make concise points.

Well, in my opinion, it's time she realised that she is not a suitable person represent herself in court. Had the two of them retained a solicitor, even if that solicitor told them what they didn't want to hear, this would have been over long ago - with less costs to all the parties concerned.

When this all comes to an end the likelihood is that they will be on the losing side in all of their cases.
 

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