It will have a massive effect on staff who are out in the heat particularly if required to repair faults or evacuate trains.Humidity shouldn't make a difference to the railway though, as far as I am aware.
It will have a massive effect on staff who are out in the heat particularly if required to repair faults or evacuate trains.Humidity shouldn't make a difference to the railway though, as far as I am aware.
Gloucestershire Warwickshire Steam Railway has cancelled all services.I would imagine that there might be some diesel haulage on Heritage railways today.
I’ve started using the Hadfield Line… can’t wait to see how that ultra modern Overhead Electrification holds up on Wednesday & Thursday![]()
Yup - Last time the service ran until around midday when the OHLE sagged so much it was close to touching the 150s.Imagine they'll sub it with DMUs like they did last time - I seem to recall it isn't tensioned in the same way as modern OHLE and so sags.
My comment was referring to it making no significant difference to the infrastructure.Pretty simple on how it will make a difference - the railway in the most part relies on humans to operate it. Humans are affected by humidity.
Last summer we were on a 390 with failed air-con. And Full & Standing. Happily, our part of the train was all "blitz spirit", laughed, joked and kept hydrated. Well hydrated in some cases.Yesterday I was on an Avanti train and they advised passengers to avoid Coach D as the Air Conditioning was broken. That is one of the worst things to happen when it's hot.
Good thinking.I had a journey back home from Sheffield on Saturday afternoon on a 170 where the aircon had failed, the staff apologised, and Saturday wasn't the hottest day in our area recently. Not improved by large numbers of extra passengers making for Doncaster because of the Bedford accident. Drank my 'emergency supply' of water, which I always keep at the bottom of my bag
I can't remember, do we know what the criteria are for introducing speed restrictions, is there some specific temperature? And I seem to remember it typically being a 50mph blanket limit, is that right?
My comment was referring to it making no significant difference to the infrastructure.
Mine is a small refillable plastic bottle with a good seal that has never leaked. Some stations have 'refill points' so if I use it there may be a chance to fill it againa. It came from the kitchenware shop 'Lakeland' and has outlasted various fancy water beakers. I dont worry about it being cold, if I am in a situation where I need it then warm is better than nothing. It holds about 1/2 a pintGood thinking.

Humidity shouldn't make a difference to the railway though, as far as I am aware.
As I've written on the trips etc thread, my journey's on Thursday and I'll be watching with acute interest! If Avanti (in my case) have to reduce speed, alter timetables etc I hope they allow and alert those with advance tickets to use earlier trains or even a different company.Any thoughts on likely WCML disruption? London-Manchester-Stoke-London in the next 36 hours for several important meetings and want to be back for the football on Tuesday night.
They will, LNER have already completely relaxed all restrictions.As I've written on the trips etc thread, my journey's on Thursday and I'll be watching with acute interest! If Avanti (in my case) have to reduce speed, alter timetables etc I hope they allow and alert those with advance tickets to use earlier trains or even a different company.
From the Avanti website homepage:As I've written on the trips etc thread, my journey's on Thursday and I'll be watching with acute interest! If Avanti (in my case) have to reduce speed, alter timetables etc I hope they allow and alert those with advance tickets to use earlier trains or even a different company.
Thanks, I've heard nothing from Avanti thought; I will try to contact them.They will, LNER have already completely relaxed all restrictions.
Addition to the previously mentioned Gloucester Warwickshire, Severn Valley, Bluebell and West Somerset have all cancelled mid week services.I would imagine that there might be some diesel haulage on Heritage railways today.
Addition to the previously mentioned Gloucester Warwickshire, Severn Valley, Bluebell and West Somerset have all cancelled mid week services.
Sitting in a Mark 1 in up to 40C weather sounds like hell. Especially as at 25 mph you only get so much draught.

Not really. I was basing my comment on the hot weather we had for May half term (SVR and GWSR travelling as staff and passenger respectively). The breeze at 25mph just isn't cooling enough.In the case of heritage lines it'll be more about the risk of fire from sparks (in the case of steam) and volunteer welfare. I actually think a ride would be quite pleasant with all the windows open!![]()
I sadly seem to recall during hot weather a member of footplate Staff passing away last year whilst working the regular Carlisle to London Euston Charter which has Steam traction Carlisle-Settle-Preston.In the case of heritage lines it'll be more about the risk of fire from sparks (in the case of steam) and volunteer welfare. I actually think a ride would be quite pleasant with all the windows open!![]()
There has only been one "40c day" recorded in the UK, at Coningsby, Lincolnshire in July 2022 - 40.3C.The rolling stock may handle 40c, but the infrastructure sure doesn't! On one of the 40c days that year sagging overhead wires caught on a train in the tunnels at New Street, which pulled it all down, resulting in the evacuation of several trains, crippling New Street, in the evening peak.
In the ensuing chaos I was unfortunate enough to be on a train to Wolves that was misrouted and we were turfed off onto the platform at Tame Bridge Parkway (there could hardly be a worse place in the midlands to be left!) and had to wait a considerable amount of time there, with little to no shade, in 40c temperatures to be rescued... back to New Street.
I won't be commuting to the office this week.![]()
Well, that's a new word on me...!I did notice Network Rail have re-upped their explainer page on the issue; presumably in the hope that some journalist might read it before asking stupid questions: https://www.networkrail.co.uk/rail-travel/delays-explained/buckled-rail-and-summer-heat/
The rolling stock may handle 40c, but the infrastructure sure doesn't! On one of the 40c days that year sagging overhead wires caught on a train in the tunnels at New Street, which pulled it all down, resulting in the evacuation of several trains, crippling New Street, in the evening peak.
There has only been one "40c day" recorded in the UK, at Coningsby, Lincolnshire in July 2022 - 40.3C.
https://www.gwr.com/weather said:Amended service to run during extreme heat following rare Met Office red weather warning.
Essential travel only on Wednesday 24 and Thursday 25 June
Due to a rare red warning of extreme heat, customers are being warned of essential travel only on Wednesday and Thursday.
Extreme heat can cause rails to expand and buckle, so when temperatures reach certain thresholds, trains must run more slowly to keep services safe. This will mean fewer trains and slightly longer journey times during the warmest periods of each day.
Prolonged high temperatures can also affect equipment on our older regional train fleet, including engines and cooling systems. This means there may be some short-notice changes or cancellations, particularly during the hottest parts of the day.
To help customers, those with tickets to travel on Wednesday 24 and Thursday 25 June can use them to travel on Monday 22, Tuesday 23 and up to and including Friday 26 June.
While we expect to operate the majority of services across the network, the reduction follows the Met Office extreme heat weather warning from Monday 22 June until Thursday 25 June.
What customers should do:
Customers in the Thames Valley should plan for changes to trains during the hottest parts of the day on Monday and Tuesday as well, as service alterations will take place to reduce the need for trains to cross sections of track.
- Only travel if necessary on Wednesday and Thursday: The Met Office says the high temperatures could lead to serious illness
- Check before you travel: Where possible, plan ahead and check journey times closer to the time of travel, particularly for the hottest part of the day.
- Allow extra time: Journeys are likely to take longer than usual, so build this into your plans, especially if you have a connection to make or need to be somewhere by a specific time.
- Bring water: Carry water with you, particularly if you expect to be travelling during the hottest periods or waiting on platforms.
- If you feel unwell, don't board: If you are waiting for a train and feel unwell due to the heat, please speak to a member of staff, who will be able to help.
Calling patterns of some local stopping services between London and Reading will be changed to minimise the use of points, which move trains between tracks, to reduce the risk of points failure. This mainly affects all-stations services that normally use the slower relief lines, with changes to trains serving Slough, Maidenhead and Twyford.
Due to the short notice changes, industry information systems will not show the correct train timetable until the day of travel.
For the latest service information, customers should check GWR.com before travelling.
Am I correctly interpreting that as a complete removal of peak restrictions from Tuesday to Thursday?From the Avanti website homepage:
- Tickets dated Tuesday 23 June can be used at no extra cost (and without changing them) to travel on Monday 22 June, or on any earlier Avanti West Coast service on Tuesday.
- Tickets dated Wednesday 24 June can be used at no extra cost (and without changing them) to travel on Tuesday 23 June, or on any earlier Avanti West Coast service on Wednesday.
- Tickets dated Thursday 25 June can be used at no extra cost (and without changing them) to travel on Wednesday 24 or Friday 26 June, or on any earlier Avanti West Coast service on Thursday.
- If you no longer wish to travel, Avanti West Coast tickets dated Tuesday 23, Wednesday 24 or Thursday 25 June will be eligible for a full refund from where you bought your ticket.
Good question! I need to know the answer too, although - on the other hand - I don't want to travel on packed commuter trains into Manchester before 9.30 (although if I could get to Piccadilly by 7.30am I'd consider it)Am I correctly interpreting that as a complete removal of peak restrictions from Tuesday to Thursday?
Thats one way to deal with aircon failure. Given the back up windows are open I would assume the aircon is not working! Had that experience many times before and it usually resulted in being booted off the train at next station to wait for road coaches. Thus you end up sitting on a regional station trying to keep cool while its pushing 47 degrees C and the wind feels like a blast furnace!Southeastern'ssaunasmetro stock have produced this fantastic meme however:
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A lot of UK trains don't have aircon at all! It's not going to be a fun time commuting for a lot of people.Thats one way to deal with aircon failure. Given the back up windows are open I would assume the aircon is not working! Had that experience many times before and it usually resulted in being booted off the train at next station to wait for road coaches. Thus you end up sitting on a regional station trying to keep cool while its pushing 47 degrees C and the wind feels like a blast furnace!