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Heatwave 22-27 June - effect on the UK Railway

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higthomas

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I would have thought Mid west USA has an even higher temperature range, but of course speeds are lower, and its mainly freight.
I would have thought that China is probably the best example of place with high speed railways and a larger temperature range than here. Looking at Beijing for example at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Beijing_weatherbox they have record highs of 41.9° and lows of -27.4° so pretty chunky difference.

Obviously newer infrastructure than here, but goes to show it is possible!
 
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Yesterday I was on an Avanti train and they advised passengers to avoid Coach D as the Air Conditioning was broken. That is one of the worst things to happen when it's hot.

The worst thing is when none of it works, having to avoid once coach isn’t too bad.
 

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The Yorkshire Flyer I was on a week ago had the radiator next to me stuck on which definitely would've been suboptimal this week.
The "Yorkshire Flyer" being the Leeds->Sheffield service run by Northern (running via Wakefield Westgate)? What units are used?
 

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I remember a few years ago that during a spell of hot weather all freight movements were banned between about 10am - 8pm in East Anglia. Any word if that is likely to happen again?

Really? when was that?


I would have thought Mid west USA has an even higher temperature range, but of course speeds are lower, and its mainly freight.

They also have a rather more liberal attitude to derailments.
 
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Red warning out now from the met office. I expect some fairly major disruption is pretty much a guarantee.

Red Warning - Extreme Heat

Delays on roads and road closures, along with delays and cancellations to rail and air travel, with significant welfare issues for those who experience even moderate delays
Significant disruption to daily life is likely and the public should take every effort to make precautions and adapt their daily routines where possible to cope with these levels of heat, which up to now have been extremely rare for the UK.

Currently covering a large area of southern and central England and a part of Wales, obviously check the met office themselves for up to date information!
 
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I would have thought that China is probably the best example of place with high speed railways and a larger temperature range than here. Looking at Beijing for example at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Beijing_weatherbox they have record highs of 41.9° and lows of -27.4° so pretty chunky difference.

Obviously newer infrastructure than here, but goes to show it is possible!
I'm not sure that comparisons with otehr countries are that useful because we don't know about any disruptions, or the safety standards that they choose to adhere to. However, new infrastructure that is dedicated to one type of train is undoubtedly going to be better than the mixed traffic railway we have.
 

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Red warning out now from the met office. I expect some fairly major disruption is pretty much a guarantee.
Also quite unusual to see a red warning this far out, i.e. just under 48 hours from the start of the warning period. Forecast model are in agreement to be fair and only really argueing about 37, 38, 39 or 40 as the maximum temperature. Hopefully people will heed the warning and only travel if they need to. Companies will probaly stand people down, I was under a Red wind warning in Scotland some years ago and we all got phone calls telling us to 'shelter in place' until the worst had passed.
 

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It covers an area from London to South Wales and Bristol,
That's a bit of an understatement - the warning - Amber and Red - covers almost all of England and Wales south of a line drawn from the Humber estuary to the Furness peninsula. That includes all of the major population centres other than the north-east, and will affect all the main lines outside of Scotland.
 

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LNER have announced ticket easements for Tuesday to Thursday to allow passengers with advances to travel on trains during cooler times of the day. Tuesday ticket holders may also travel today, and tickets for Wednesday and Thursday are also now valid on Friday.

Refunds are also available.

LNER ticket announcement
 

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Also quite unusual to see a red warning this far out, i.e. just under 48 hours from the start of the warning period. Forecast model are in agreement to be fair and only really argueing about 37, 38, 39 or 40 as the maximum temperature. Hopefully people will heed the warning and only travel if they need to. Companies will probaly stand people down, I was under a Red wind warning in Scotland some years ago and we all got phone calls telling us to 'shelter in place' until the worst had passed.

I travelled from Cornwall to Bletchley on the last 40 degree day. Getting off at Paddington was like getting off a plane in a hot country, but the 80x aircon performed admirably and it was a perfectly pleasant (if slow due to speed restrictions) journey, which due to said speed restrictions ended up being free to boot.
 

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a big issue this time is humidity. When we last experienced 40C in 2022, it was relatively dry heat. This time it will be high humidity and feel worse.

Buckle up…
 

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a big issue this time is humidity. When we last experienced 40C in 2022, it was relatively dry heat. This time it will be high humidity and feel worse.
Humidity shouldn't make a difference to the railway though, as far as I am aware.
 

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I’ve started using the Hadfield Line… can’t wait to see how that ultra modern Overhead Electrification holds up on Wednesday & Thursday :D
 

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Humidity shouldn't make a difference to the railway though, as far as I am aware.
It will mean aircon (where it exists) has to work harder. The higher amount of moisture in the air will require more latent heat to be taken out to bring the temperature down, and it will add to the amount of condensate produced.
 

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I can't remember, do we know what the criteria are for introducing speed restrictions, is there some specific temperature? And I seem to remember it typically being a 50mph blanket limit, is that right?
 

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a big issue this time is humidity. When we last experienced 40C in 2022, it was relatively dry heat. This time it will be high humidity and feel worse.

Buckle up…

The high humidity has already been unpleasant over the last couple of days. Really dreading the middle of the week.
 

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Humidity shouldn't make a difference to the railway though, as far as I am aware.

Pretty simple on how it will make a difference - the railway in the most part relies on humans to operate it. Humans are affected by humidity.
 

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Eurostar already cancelling services throughout the week, presume to create more space in the timetable for speed restrictions?
 

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To be honest in a country that is not adapted to high temperatures, and given the additional humidity impact I would expect to see top down government 'advice', close schools, advice workplaces to cut back their work force, and try and organise cool spaces, but with the events of this morning I suspect a degree of paralysis has set in.
 

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Avoids using the Dolphin crossovers, only recently renewed, to cross from Reliefs to Mains. It means pushing more people onto the Elizabeth Line trains.
Dolphin isn't finished, big blocks coming up at the end of the year for that.
 

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To be honest in a country that is not adapted to high temperatures, and given the additional humidity impact I would expect to see top down government 'advice', close schools, advice workplaces to cut back their work force, and try and organise cool spaces, but with the events of this morning I suspect a degree of paralysis has set in.

I can see the whole thing being another shambles, just like it always is when there’s a weather event. Unfortunately people aren’t very good at making judicious choices.

“Oh yippee my work has shut down for the day so I don’t have to risk getting stuck in a sauna-like train”…

…followed a few hours later by “we decided to head to the beach and now we’re stuck on a sauna-like train the air conditioning has stopped and we can’t breathe”.

Plus the fact that heat and humidity makes people more irritable than usual. When we had the hot weather last month the amount of abuse for relatively small heat-related delays was unreal.

I’ll be glad when it’s over.
 

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The "Yorkshire Flyer" being the Leeds->Sheffield service run by Northern (running via Wakefield Westgate)? What units are used?
158s are the usual unit which is good from a passenger experience but negative in terms of them being 30+ year old units and the first service to get scratched if there are issues. I've seen 150s sub in sometimes, I don't think there are enough 195s to come in if needed.

The experience of the air con on a 195 on a hot day is surreal compared with the 15x they replaced.
 
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