• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Caught using a 11-15 when im 19

monim

Member
Joined
21 Jun 2026
Messages
14
Location
Greater London
I got on the bus and the inspector came and caught me using an 11-15 oyster card. This is my brothers card and I had to give my information and also my brothers oyster. This is the first time that happened

Im very worried right now what should I do? Im going durham university this year to study accountancy and if this goes in my dbs my career will be over before it has even started. If anyone has similar experience i would be happy to get some advice thanks
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

WesternLancer

Veteran Member
Joined
12 Apr 2019
Messages
15,458
I got on the bus and the inspector came and caught me using an 11-15 oyster card. This is my brothers card and I had to give my information and also my brothers oyster. This is the first time that happened

Im very worried right now what should I do? Im going durham university this year to study accountancy and if this goes in my dbs my career will be over before it has even started. If anyone has similar experience i would be happy to get some advice thanks
Welcome. You are right to take this seriously

Unfortunately TfL prosecute people in the majority of cases for things like this, freedom of info requests quoted here indicate about 15,000 prosecutions a year for people committing various types of fare evasion.

See this thread for some initial answers

I don’t think you should automatically regard this as career ending in terms of your university place however.

Ask any questions you need to to try and understand what’s likely to happen. People here will be happy to answer those questions and help you understand your options.
 

monim

Member
Joined
21 Jun 2026
Messages
14
Location
Greater London
First time you used his pass or first time you were caught using his pass?
First time caught and I used it about 5 more times before that

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Welcome. You are right to take this seriously

Unfortunately TfL prosecute people in the majority of cases for things like this, freedom of info requests quoted here indicate about 15,000 prosecutions a year for people committing various types of fare evasion.

See this thread for some initial answers

I don’t think you should automatically regard this as career ending in terms of your university place however.

Ask any questions you need to to try and understand what’s likely to happen. People here will be happy to answer those questions and help you understand your options.
I see so theres nothing I can do now? I cant keep this out of court? And It will go on my enhanced dbs?
 

SECR 65

Member
Joined
2 Apr 2026
Messages
730
Location
East Sussex
You could instruct a specialist fare evasion solicitor. That would come at a cost (likely between £500 and £1000). They may be able to secure a final warning from TfL. This is, obviosuly, not guaranteed.

Forum members are able to provide a list of firms previously used by those in situations with TfL.
 

Manak

Verified Rep
Joined
4 Sep 2024
Messages
42
Location
Orpington
This case is capable of achieving a warning which avoids a criminal record and court proceedings.
 

SECR 65

Member
Joined
2 Apr 2026
Messages
730
Location
East Sussex
How can I achive that? By just getting a solicitor at fixed rate?
Most likely yes. You are unlikely to be able to achieve a warning without the help of a solicitor.

Manak is one firm often used on the forum. Here is the relevant part of their website, including contact details:
 

WesternLancer

Veteran Member
Joined
12 Apr 2019
Messages
15,458
Most likely yes. You are unlikely to be able to achieve a warning without the help of a solicitor.

Manak is one firm often used on the forum. Here is the relevant part of their website, including contact details:
And of course there are 3 or 4 others we know of from people on here who have mentioned they have used them if the op wishes to ring round for quotes initially.
 

MrJeeves

Established Member
Associate Staff
Senior Fares Advisor
Joined
28 Aug 2015
Messages
4,732
Location
Burgess Hill
This case is capable of achieving a warning which avoids a criminal record and court proceedings.
That sounds like a great guarantee. And if it doesn't, will your hypothetical client get their money back?
 

WesternLancer

Veteran Member
Joined
12 Apr 2019
Messages
15,458
I got on the bus and the inspector came and caught me using an 11-15 oyster card. This is my brothers card and I had to give my information and also my brothers oyster. This is the first time that happened

Im very worried right now what should I do? Im going durham university this year to study accountancy and if this goes in my dbs my career will be over before it has even started. If anyone has similar experience i would be happy to get some advice thanks
IIRC the offence is spent in One or two years. Well before your degree is over.
Check with the professional body over what other levels of disclosure could possibly ever be expected.

Check with the university website about what if any disclosure is required as part of the university admissions process.

TfL prosecutes about 15,000 people a year for fares related issues. Plenty of them will be students on degrees relating to professional training courses

But you are correct to take it seriously.

If you want to feel you’ve given it your best shot at avoiding a conviction though see if your family can support you with the cost of a solicitor or if maybe a summer job might help you raise the funds for that.
 

monim

Member
Joined
21 Jun 2026
Messages
14
Location
Greater London
How many letters am i supposed to receive? I only received 1 so far under my brothers name about the oyster card. Which I replied back. Am I supposed to receive more letters home?
 

SargeNpton

Established Member
Joined
19 Nov 2018
Messages
1,755
How many letters am i supposed to receive? I only received 1 so far under my brothers name about the oyster card. Which I replied back. Am I supposed to receive more letters home?
If the letter was in your brother's name, why did you reply back to it? Or doesn't he know that you were using his card?
 

monim

Member
Joined
21 Jun 2026
Messages
14
Location
Greater London
If the letter was in your brother's name, why did you reply back to it? Or doesn't he know that you were using his card
He didnt know I used his card plus they told us to reply back which we did. Nothing else happened after that. What do you think?
 

SargeNpton

Established Member
Joined
19 Nov 2018
Messages
1,755
I think that, if you haven't already done so, you need to let your parents/guardian know. At the very least, your brother needs to know as, at some stage, TfL may take away his card.
 

monim

Member
Joined
21 Jun 2026
Messages
14
Location
Greater London
tfl_letter_blurred.jpgcharge_sheet_blurred.jpgstatement_of_facts_blurred.jpg

Hi all,


I’ve received a Single Justice Procedure Notice from TfL for using a non-transferable pass issued to another person (Reg 7(1)(b) PSV Regulations 1990). In June 2026 I was stopped on a bus using my younger brother’s Zip 11–15 Oyster. When the inspector said the photo didn’t look like me, I said it was my brother’s. The card was seized. The charge is for one journey (£1.75 fare). TfL says it will ask for at least £250 costs. I have to respond by 3 November.


Background: in April 2026 my family was attacked at home during a robbery. My dad’s hand was cut with a knife and he needed nerve surgery, and he hasn’t worked since. He was paying for my travel at the time, as I was a full-time A-level student with no income. I used my brother’s card during that period, not just on the day I was caught. I’m 19, I’ve now started university, and I’m not working.


I have a police letter of support, the crime reference letter, and my dad’s hospital records.


Here’s the email I’m planning to send to TfL asking for an out-of-court settlement:

Hello,

Case no: [removed]
Name: [removed]
DOB: [removed]
Address: [removed]


I got a letter about using my brother’s Zip Oyster card on a bus in June 2026. I want to be clear from the start that I take full responsibility for this. I used his card during that period, including on the day I was stopped, and I knew it wasn’t mine to use. That was my decision and it was wrong. I’ve stopped and I won’t do it again.


I’d like to give some context about what my family was going through at the time, not as an excuse but so you have the full picture.


In April 2026, my family was attacked in our home during a robbery. My dad was cut on his hand with a knife and needed surgery on the nerve in his finger. He hasn’t been able to work since. He was the one supporting us, and at the time I was a full-time A-level student with no money of my own. It was a really difficult and stressful time for all of us, and things are still hard now. Our landlord is trying to evict us, and the police have written a letter supporting us being rehoused.


I’ve just started university and I’m not working. I’m worried about how a criminal record could affect my future, and I’d like to put this right properly. Would TfL consider letting me settle this out of court? I’ll pay back the fares I owe and a reasonable amount towards your costs, in instalments if possible.


I’ve attached the police letters (crime reference [removed]) and my dad’s hospital records.


I’ll still submit my plea before the deadline, but it would help a lot to hear from you before then.


Thanks,
[Name removed]


My questions:


  1. Does the email look OK, or should I change anything?
  2. Is it right to say I used the card “during that period”, or should I only talk about the journey I was charged for?
  3. What sort of settlement amount should I expect?
  4. Anything else I should do before the deadline?

Thanks.
 

AlterEgo

Verified Rep - Wingin' It! Paul Lucas
Joined
30 Dec 2008
Messages
29,744
Location
LBK
They've taken your previous correspondence into account and have charged you with the offence. What did you send them the first time? It is now too late to undo this unless you get a solicitor *fast* - you are going to court.

TfL do not settle out of court. They either issue a warning (rare), or they prosecute (nearly all cases). You will not have the option to settle and pay outstanding fares. Unfortunately they take this sort of misuse very seriously as it is endemic in London.
 

WesternLancer

Veteran Member
Joined
12 Apr 2019
Messages
15,458
View attachment 213391View attachment 213389View attachment 213390

Hi all,


I’ve received a Single Justice Procedure Notice from TfL for using a non-transferable pass issued to another person (Reg 7(1)(b) PSV Regulations 1990). In June 2026 I was stopped on a bus using my younger brother’s Zip 11–15 Oyster. When the inspector said the photo didn’t look like me, I said it was my brother’s. The card was seized. The charge is for one journey (£1.75 fare). TfL says it will ask for at least £250 costs. I have to respond by 3 November.


Background: in April 2026 my family was attacked at home during a robbery. My dad’s hand was cut with a knife and he needed nerve surgery, and he hasn’t worked since. He was paying for my travel at the time, as I was a full-time A-level student with no income. I used my brother’s card during that period, not just on the day I was caught. I’m 19, I’ve now started university, and I’m not working.


I have a police letter of support, the crime reference letter, and my dad’s hospital records.


Here’s the email I’m planning to send to TfL asking for an out-of-court settlement:

Hello,

Case no: [removed]
Name: [removed]
DOB: [removed]
Address: [removed]


I got a letter about using my brother’s Zip Oyster card on a bus in June 2026. I want to be clear from the start that I take full responsibility for this. I used his card during that period, including on the day I was stopped, and I knew it wasn’t mine to use. That was my decision and it was wrong. I’ve stopped and I won’t do it again.


I’d like to give some context about what my family was going through at the time, not as an excuse but so you have the full picture.


In April 2026, my family was attacked in our home during a robbery. My dad was cut on his hand with a knife and needed surgery on the nerve in his finger. He hasn’t been able to work since. He was the one supporting us, and at the time I was a full-time A-level student with no money of my own. It was a really difficult and stressful time for all of us, and things are still hard now. Our landlord is trying to evict us, and the police have written a letter supporting us being rehoused.


I’ve just started university and I’m not working. I’m worried about how a criminal record could affect my future, and I’d like to put this right properly. Would TfL consider letting me settle this out of court? I’ll pay back the fares I owe and a reasonable amount towards your costs, in instalments if possible.


I’ve attached the police letters (crime reference [removed]) and my dad’s hospital records.


I’ll still submit my plea before the deadline, but it would help a lot to hear from you before then.


Thanks,
[Name removed]


My questions:


  1. Does the email look OK, or should I change anything?
  2. Is it right to say I used the card “during that period”, or should I only talk about the journey I was charged for?
  3. What sort of settlement amount should I expect?
  4. Anything else I should do before the deadline?

Thanks.
I'm not an expert of TfL cases and they are tricky because they seem to prosecute in general. I'm assuming that is what is happening here.

But in your post of 6 July above (post #15) you said you had received a letter and you had replied to it - what did that letter say and what did you say in your reply? Your draft here is some mitigation relating to your circumstances - did you tell TfL any of that sort of thing in whatever reply was sent that is referred to in post #15, back in July?

I didn't think it does any harm to send more mitigation now, but I don't know if that will work or not.
ref your draft it might be worth adding to this section something specific that asks them clearly if they would withdraw the court action.
"I’ve just started university and I’m not working. I’m worried about how a criminal record could affect my future, and I’d like to put this right properly. Would TfL consider letting me settle this out of court? I’ll pay back the fares I owe and a reasonable amount towards your costs, in instalments if possible."

Separately, and not because of this court action but due to the general difficulty of your family financial circumstances, I suspect that it is worth approaching your University hardship fund to see if they can help you, now that you have started at University

As an aside a court fine etc can be paid in instalments as I understand it - but it will be important for you to complete the court income declaration and request that as part of the court process. Declaring your income correctly to them should ensure that the fine level is reduced according to the relevant formula.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

They've taken your previous correspondence into account and have charged you with the offence. What did you send them the first time? It is now too late to undo this unless you get a solicitor *fast* - you are going to court.

TfL do not settle out of court. They either issue a warning (rare), or they prosecute (nearly all cases). You will not have the option to settle and pay outstanding fares. Unfortunately they take this sort of misuse very seriously as it is endemic in London.
Think this cross posted with my own.

Would it be correct to say there is the ability to advance this sort of mitigation to the court - either as part of the SJPN process, but it might be more likely to at least be clearly listened to if the person opted for the case to be heard in person, an thus opted for an in person trial at the magistrates court, rather than an SJPN plea.
Whether that mitigation would make any significant difference to the outcome of the court process when the magistrates considered it - I can't say.

If the OP did opt to go to court in person there is some useful info from another thread that sets out how to carefully prepare for what will happen on the day in court.
 
Last edited:

monim

Member
Joined
21 Jun 2026
Messages
14
Location
Greater London
Thanks for replying.

To clear up the July letter: it was sent to my brother, since the card is in his name. He replied apologising, did 4 hours of volunteering and got his card back. I never received anything myself before this charge, so TfL hasn't heard any of my circumstances yet. The SJPN is the first thing I've had.

does that change anything? Given TfL has never seen my mitigation, is it still worth sending it to AP@tfl.gov.uk asking them to withdraw, or is it too late now that I've been charged?

On the solicitor:
Is it worth getting one in my situation, given I've admitted it and the evidence is clear?
Can anyone recommend a solicitor or firm that deals with TfL fare evasion cases? Happy for a PM if that's better.
Roughly what should I expect to pay for them to write to TfL asking for a withdrawal?
Is there enough time to do this before the 3 November deadline?
If it does go ahead, I'll plead guilty online before the deadline and include my circumstances and finances.
Thanks again.
 

Haywain

Veteran Member
Joined
3 Feb 2013
Messages
24,878
Roughly what should I expect to pay for them to write to TfL asking for a withdrawal
A solicitor will cost you around £800. That is likely to be more than being prosecuted will cost you. If convicted you will be fined, and the amount of that is calculated based on your earnings, as well as a victim surcharge (40% of the fine amount), and costs. TfL may also seek to recover unpaid fares if they see a clear record of them.
 

WesternLancer

Veteran Member
Joined
12 Apr 2019
Messages
15,458
On the solicitor:
Is it worth getting one in my situation, given I've admitted it and the evidence is clear?
Can anyone recommend a solicitor or firm that deals with TfL fare evasion cases? Happy for a PM if that's better.
Roughly what should I expect to pay for them to write to TfL asking for a withdrawal?
Is there enough time to do this before the 3 November deadline?
If it does go ahead, I'll plead guilty online before the deadline and include my circumstances and finances.
Thanks again.
Ref solicitor- See posts 9 to 14 above ref some of the questions you are asking here. Might cover some of them.

It’s a lot of money to pay to avoid a conviction for what is probably a relatively minor offence in the great scheme of things I would tend to think.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

To clear up the July letter: it was sent to my brother, since the card is in his name. He replied apologising, did 4 hours of volunteering and got his card back. I never received anything myself before this charge, so TfL hasn't heard any of my circumstances yet. The SJPN is the first thing I've had.
Thanks for explaining
does that change anything? Given TfL has never seen my mitigation, is it still worth sending it to AP@tfl.gov.uk asking them to withdraw, or is it too late now that I've been charged?
I don't suppose it does any harm to send it to TfL, since it shows you are engaging with the process, regret what you did etc - but I fear you should not get your hopes too high. They can broadly be assumed to work to their stated policy over things like mitigating factors
that policy is here:

On the solicitor:
Is it worth getting one in my situation, given I've admitted it and the evidence is clear?
Can anyone recommend a solicitor or firm that deals with TfL fare evasion cases? Happy for a PM if that's better.
Roughly what should I expect to pay for them to write to TfL asking for a withdrawal?
Is there enough time to do this before the 3 November deadline?

Time is clearly limited now you have got papers with a court deadline, but if you were to consider paying a solicitor that would be a question you could ask them before they started doing any chargeable work for you I suppose.

If it does go ahead, I'll plead guilty online before the deadline and include my circumstances and finances.
Presumably accompanying paperwork you were sent tells you how you can plead and the process involved in submitting the necessary stuff regarding your finances and mitigating factors you want to alert the court to. You can presumably opt for the matter to be heard in person which might mean that the hearing is further away, allowing you time to save up funds for example.

As things progress feel free to ask any questions you wish as it's likely people here will know the answers or can give you an informed opinion.

Now you are a student you might be able to access some free advice or help from your students union advice service - it may be worth asking them.
 
Last edited:

323235

Established Member
Joined
8 Dec 2007
Messages
2,135
Location
North East Cheshire
If there is any possibility that avoiding a criminal record is more important than the fine verses solicitor fee difference (which generally seems to be in the hundreds of pounds difference), then you should definitely consider paying a solicitor (if sending them mitigation fails) , to see if a lawyer can get you a warning letter instead, as we often hear about the specialist firms mentioned on the forum that deal with TfL matters frequently getting warnings in many instances.
 

Top