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Cancellations on Blackpool South line on Sundays

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Southern Beau

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Noticed cancellations and delays on the BPS to PRE line again today.

One cancellation for part of the line meaning a “4 hourly service”.

Last train of the day cancelled with bus replacement provided
 
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The nettle has to be grasped. The 2024 attempt failed. The 2025 attempt failed. Northern was nationalised 6 years ago. Former Managing Director Nick Donovan used to say he was managing a volunteer railway. He didn't fix it. Can it be fixed?
The issues with Sunday being outside the working week predate Northern coming into existence in 2005. First North Western and North Western Trains used to have issues with it, especially in the summer holidays and around Christmas, and that was more than twenty years ago. Northern has existed for 21 years and they've not been able to harmonise conditions between the east, north east, and west.

I bolded your question: can it be fixed? If it were easy to fix then it would have been fixed by now.
 

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The issues with Sunday being outside the working week predate Northern coming into existence in 2005. First North Western and North Western Trains used to have issues with it, especially in the summer holidays and around Christmas, and that was more than twenty years ago. Northern has existed for 21 years and they've not been able to harmonise conditions between the east, north east, and west.

I bolded your question: can it be fixed? If it were easy to fix then it would have been fixed by now.
Yes this is something GBR are not going to be able to do much about either as these employment contracts just like the leasing companies are now too far gone to change easily without great expense.
 

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Likewise with the Buxton services, fill in the gaps by extending the Leeds to Huddersfield via Bradford service to Stalybridge, Stockport and Buxton - it'd give Buxton an hourly service rather than the two hourly one its got at the moment.
The Bradford to Huddersfield service hasn't been operating, and won't be operating any time soon, because of TRU works. Even if it was, on many weekends the route between Bradley Junction and Marsden through Huddersfield has had bus replacement.

Many places on the west side have no Sunday service at all. With their two hourly Sunday service, the Buxton line and Blackpool South - the subject of the original post - are two of the lucky ones.
 

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Case for further DOO...
Yes, but good luck getting that through. They can’t even manage it for a brand new railway in the south east!

If there's no money to give the guards a fair wage to come in on their day off
It’s quite a bit more complicated than that, although obviously a bigger cheque will make more of the non-pay grievances magically disappear.
 

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It’s quite a bit more complicated than that, although obviously a bigger cheque will make more of the non-pay grievances magically disappear.
Deep down it's really not. If guards had been offered the same incentives as drivers to work Sundays the jobs would be have covered far more consistently.

It's likely that this latest offer would have been agreed months ago had the doors issue not flared up again - I'm very interested to see the result of the vote as in mess rooms it seems finely balanced.
 

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If there's no money to give the guards a fair wage to come in on their day off, there certainly ain't billions to spend upgrading the infrastructure to the spec required for DOO!
It sounded more like a rant than a rational comment.
 

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Case for further DOO...
Which would be the case (sadly) for further strike action.

The other option would be to roll out these things which don't need any staff at all (apart from three people in a control room to oversee the operations)...
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Image shows two doubled up AdTranz C801 Automated People Movers in use on Frankfurt Airport's SkyLine shuttle

... but it would mean ripping up the entire South Fylde Line and installing a concrete trackway with the main guide rail in the centre and closing any level crossings en route due to the thing being driverless.


If Northern cannot resolve the East West split, then the only other option would be to revise the entire North West's timetables to run effectively a skeleton service linking only the cities and larger towns where Northern are the only operator, with a lot of the smaller stations getting no service at all.
 

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If Northern cannot resolve the East West split, then the only other option would be to revise the entire North West's timetables to run effectively a skeleton service linking only the cities and larger towns where Northern are the only operator, with a lot of the smaller stations getting no service at all.

Is that not what they in effect have now?
 

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If there's no money to give the guards a fair wage to come in on their day off, there certainly ain't billions to spend upgrading the infrastructure to the spec required for DOO!
No one should be needed to come in on their day off except in emergency / unforeseen situations
 

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The idea of a TPE unit slowing down at Moss Side to pick up pax has amused me somewhat!

TPE did of course work the Windermere stoppers at one point, and also on Sundays the local service to Barrow, though I think the current "everything all stops" on that route is better.
 

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One of the local MP's has done a short video from Kirkham station. Stating that a loop was planned but was cancelled by this government. Is that correct?
 

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Northern's Calder Valley to Chester services only run as far as Victoria on Sundays. This means Chester passengers have to cross to Piccadilly or Oxford Road to pick up a TfW service or take a Liverpool train to Newton-le-Willows and change there.
 

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One of the local MP's has done a short video from Kirkham station. Stating that a loop was planned but was cancelled by this government. Is that correct?
Think that may have been the previous one. I do enjoy this line - we use it sometimes when we visit blackpool instead of north as we use the pleasure beach once or twice so its much better than getting a tram back down
 

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Think that may have been the previous one. I do enjoy this line - we use it sometimes when we visit blackpool instead of north as we use the pleasure beach once or twice so its much better than getting a tram back down
I'm curious to know whether return tickets allow outward travel to one of the two Blackpool stations and return from the other?
 

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I'm curious to know whether return tickets allow outward travel to one of the two Blackpool stations and return from the other?
Officially no, unofficially, maybe, if the return is via Blackpool Sth.
 

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I thought you could use a ticket to travel to or from another station in the immediate vicinity provided the fare was no higher.

I travelled to North and returned from South a few months ago with no problems. The fares were the same in my case.
 

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I thought you could use a ticket to travel to or from another station in the immediate vicinity provided the fare was no higher.

I travelled to North and returned from South a few months ago with no problems. The fares were the same in my case.
There is no such rule unfortunately.

I agree that travelling to/from South on a ticket to North is less likely to cause problems, simply because the lack of barriers.
 

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One of the local MP's has done a short video from Kirkham station. Stating that a loop was planned but was cancelled by this government. Is that correct?
The non platform lines at Kirkham were taken out when the junction was remodeled & the 3rd platform built when it was wired up.
 

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Is there any issues from Preston to colne with cancellation or is it just the Preston - Blackpool South . Also is the Blackburn - Victoria via Accrington generally reliable on a Sunday . Only reason I ask is I’m travelling that journey tomorrow
 
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