Scottish Universities..Charges for non-Scottish students.

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It has been reported today on BBC North-East Scotland that the University of Aberdeen is the first university in Scotland to adopt greatly increased fees for students from outside Scotland.

 

[Lampshade]

While it may seem unfair, the Scottish government is perfectly within their rights to do that

 

[devon_metro]

Suggests that the balance of funding is unfair between England and Scotland/Wales.

 

[asylumxl]

Suggests that the balance of funding is unfair between England and Scotland/Wales.

I'll believe it if I see figures.

 

[scotsman]

No it's not. If Scottish students want to have a chance of getting into universities, we have to set the price the same as the top English students hopping over the border to avoid paying fees - pushing out students who are entitled to a free university education.

I suppose I ought to clarify, it's not Scottish students, but any student residing in Scotland is entitled

 

[Zoe]

I suppose I ought to clarify, it's not Scottish students, but any student residing in Scotland is entitled

How long do you have to have lived in Scotland to qualify though? It would be an easy way out of paying the fees if you could just move to Scotland for a year and then go to university.

 

[43021HST]

Its bloody unfair, not all english university students are all toffs that can afford universities. Maybe if scottish and welsh students did pay for universities the fees wouldnt be quite so high for english students. (That comments gonna get me flamed, open parachute)

Then again universties should be free and payed for through taxes.
Bloody condem government

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Its bloody unfair, not all english university students are all toffs that can afford universities. Maybe if scottish and welsh students did pay for universities the fees wouldnt be quite so high for english students. (That comments gonna get me flamed, open parachute)

Then again universties should be free and payed for through taxes.
Bloody condem government

They really shouldn't...

 

[43021HST]

They really shouldn't...

Justified arguement please

 

[SS4]

It would be interesting to see exactly how Scotland can afford this when England seemingly cannot or will not of course.

Is Scottish devolution subsided by Westminster or does she contribute more than she takes? I suspect a small population contributes to making it easier too.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Justified arguement please

Watch this space - I'll do it when I'm not on my BB.

 

[SS4]

Its bloody unfair, not all english university students are all toffs that can afford universities. Maybe if scottish and welsh students did pay for universities the fees wouldnt be quite so high for english students. (That comments gonna get me flamed, open parachute)

Then again universties should be free and payed for through taxes.
Bloody condem government

They really shouldn't...

I don't see why not. You could make admission harder or give a system of grants to gifted students or to those studying worthwhile courses (such as science) which would make university free.
There are deeper rooted problems which increase the university admission rate notably the lack of vocational teaching in school, the idea in society's eyes that you are a de facto failure if you don't go but mainly because the alternative is to sign on because there is no longer full time work out there and also few apprenticeships

 

[WestCoast]

Its bloody unfair, not all english university students are all toffs that can afford universities. Maybe if scottish and welsh students did pay for universities the fees wouldnt be quite so high for english students. (That comments gonna get me flamed, open parachute)

It's the jump from FREE to 9 thousand pounds a year which is unfair, depending on which part of the UK you live in. I very much doubt anyone can argue with that. I can understand why they are charging a higher rate for English students, they want to secure places for Scottish students, it is the overall inbalance which is unfair.

European law means that the Scottish Government is obliged to pay the fees of students living in non-UK EU countries, which adds a new dimension to this debate.

 

[90019]

they deny it to themselves, by getting themselves drunk instead of studying.

Nice stereotyping there.
I'm curious though, is that stereotype coming from a lack of experience, a chip on your shoulder because you missed out, or just lapping up the bullsh*t the media like to come out with to try outrage people? Do you actually have any evidence to back that up? (And by evidence, I don't mean rhetoric from the media trying to provoke a response).

It is interesting how depricating many people like to be towards the younger generation, things likechildren getting better results, so of course the exams must be easier and they must be stupid. Or the image that all young people are troublemakers who deliberately go out to cause problems.

they then cause wanton destruction to government buildings all because they didn't study. it's their fault these fees are going up, and we taxpayers have to fund their alcohol-fuelled endeavors.

Of course, you're not including the majority of the students who didn't go on the marches and the marjority of the people on the marches who didn't cause trouble, but then again, why lets facts get in the way of a rant?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

You could make admission harder or give a system of grants to gifted students or to those studying worthwhile courses (such as science) which would make university free

Bursaries and grants are available for certain courses.

 

[SS4]

Bursaries and grants are available for certain courses.

That's true but rarely does it cover the full cost of the loans making the course de facto free (I think the NHS used to though)

 

[ralphchadkirk]

That's true but rarely does it cover the full cost of the loans making the course de facto free (I think the NHS used to though)

NHS sadly not anymore. They were the people I was thinking of - they'll be paying my tuition fees, but nothing else.

 

[43021HST]

Nice stereotyping there.
I'm curious though, is that stereotype coming from a lack of experience, a chip on your shoulder because you missed out, or just lapping up the bullsh*t the media like to come out with to try outrage people? Do you actually have any evidence to back that up? (And by eviudence, I don't mean rhetoric from the media trying to provoke a response).

It is interesting how depricating many people like to be towards the younger generation, things likechildren getting better results, so of course the exams must be easier and they must be stupid. Or the image that all young people are troublemakers who deliberately go out to cause problems.



Of course, you're not including the majority of the students who didn't go on the marches and the marjority of the people on the marches who didn't cause trouble, but then again, why lets facts get in the way of a rant?

'Slurp Slurp' daily mail reporting tastes good!

 

[yorksrob]

Whilst Scotland obviously has the right levy fees or not on students, I would find it totally unacceptable for students from other parts of the United Kingdom to be discriminated against in favour of non-UK EU residents. I would have thought that this little conundrum should be sorted out before they started whacking on the fees.

 

[scotsman]

How long do you have to have lived in Scotland to qualify though? It would be an easy way out of paying the fees if you could just move to Scotland for a year and then go to university.

If you are living at a Scottish address, and I mean living full time - not some place that mummy and daddy have bought you in the middle of nowhere - then you are not liable to any fees whatsoever.

Have fun getting in, though. Edinburgh Uni is only giving unconditionals in Law and Medicine

 

[thefab444]

They really shouldn't...

If the number of university places were cut to a more reasonable number, with high entry requirements, so only those who it really suits are able to go then it might be worthwhile having the taxpayer fund them.

 

[Greenback]

If the number of university places were cut to a more reasonable number, with high entry requirements, so only those who it really suits are able to go then it might be worthwhile having the taxpayer fund them.

I agree with that. This is how it used to be, before we had the misplaced idea that going to University was a right not a privilege, and that as many people as possible should attend one.

The continuing debate over fees is ony symptomatic of difficulties in funding access for so many millions more now compared the numbers attending in the 1960's and 1970's.

 

[chris89]

Sooner or later Scottish Universties will have to charge Scottish students.

One of the times my girlfriend's dad picked me up from Waverly Station (Snow and ice meant the local line was closed and he was on his way back from work)

We were talking about it, and he believes they should be charged as can't see how it can be continued in the current practise.

But haven't Scottish Universties always charged not at the same extent as England, Wales and Northern Ireland for students from those countries?

 

[scotsman]

Sooner or later Scottish Universties will have to charge Scottish students.

One of the times my girlfriend's dad picked me up from Waverly Station (Snow and ice meant the local line was closed and he was on his way back from work)

We were talking about it, and he believes they should be charged as can't see how it can be continued in the current practise.

But haven't Scottish Universties always charged not at the same extent as England, Wales and Northern Ireland for students from those countries?

My cousin (from Bromsgrove) got her degree in Scot Lit from Edinburgh for free

 

[exile]

I agree with that. This is how it used to be, before we had the misplaced idea that going to University was a right not a privilege, and that as many people as possible should attend one.

The continuing debate over fees is ony symptomatic of difficulties in funding access for so many millions more now compared the numbers attending in the 1960's and 1970's.

This is a bit of a UK-only perspective. Most advanced countries have vastly increased their University sector over the years, and the Chinese and Indians are following suit. Is every single one of these countries wrong?

 

[Greenback]

This is a bit of a UK-only perspective. Most advanced countries have vastly increased their University sector over the years, and the Chinese and Indians are following suit. Is every single one of these countries wrong?

It rather depends on why they are doing it amd how they are funding it. If it is to fully exploit the talents of the population and ensure less reliance on foreing expertise, then it makes sense. Particularly if the government is properly funding the brightest students to support them through meaningful degree programmes of real value.

If, on the other hand, it is to disguise the level of unemployment by allowing young people to study meaningless subjects by taking out huge loans, then that is more questionable, in my opinion.

It seems more likely that western countries are more interested in competing for the international students that bring a lot of money with them. Hence the exapnsion of many European institution into India and the Middle East.