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5Z64 is now listed for Friday, York NRM to Toton TMD 1432 dep
Any confirmation as to whether this will definitely be both Scotsman and Tornado5Z64 is now listed for Friday, York NRM to Toton TMD 1432 dep
It will definitely be both, Tornado runs to NRM under 5Z63 on the Friday, 5 indicating it'll have it's support coach, Z being freight, and 63 indicating 60163, it's what Tornado usually runs under. I wonder whether DB are holding back the timetable until tonight or tomorrow just to reduce the amount of people who will see it, therefore reducing risk (I think this may have been done before), just a theory though.Any confirmation as to whether this will definitely be both Scotsman and Tornado
Timings now onIt will definitely be both, Tornado runs to NRM under 5Z63 on the Friday, 5 indicating it'll have it's support coach, Z being freight, and 63 indicating 60163, it's what Tornado usually runs under. I wonder whether DB are holding back the timetable until tonight or tomorrow just to reduce the amount of people who will see it, therefore reducing risk (I think this may have been done before), just a theory though
Most likely DB are attaching a 66 (or other support loco) onto the consist at Toton to assist with the many changing ends between Loughborough and RudddingtonOk so I tried checking Toton TMD now and there's 5Z65 at 1735 going to Hotchley Hill (East Leake) - near Loughborough.
Then there's that journey in reverse 0Z65
1940 to 2113.
I'm very new to this, so is that ditching the support engine at East Leake then returning to Toton without it?
Yeah that would make sense. Better not be anything in front of the double header before thatMost likely DB are attaching a 66 (or other support loco) onto the consist at Toton to assist with the many changing ends between Loughborough and Rudddington
Hopefully not, hopefully it is just stuck on the back to help with the Loughborough -> 50-steps leg of the journey, might be considered a bit far for FS and Torndado to run tender first, not to mention the poor visibility you would get from the cabYeah that would make sense. Better not be anything in front of the double header before that
.Now that we have the timetable, at what time can we expect the consist to arrive into Ruddington platform, presuming it goes straight from East Leake.
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Hopefully not, hopefully it is just stuck on the back to help with the Loughborough -> 50-steps leg of the journey, might be considered a bit far for FS and Torndado to run tender first, not to mention the poor visibility you would get from the cab
Yeah I think you’ll be right about thatNow that we have the timetable, at what time can we expect the consist to arrive into Ruddington platform, presuming it goes straight from East Leake.
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Hopefully not, hopefully it is just stuck on the back to help with the Loughborough -> 50-steps leg of the journey, might be considered a bit far for FS and Torndado to run tender first, not to mention the poor visibility you would get from the cab
If would make sense for Scotsman to be leading as they would couple that on to the front of Tornado at the NRM. But the headcode suggest that Tornado will be leading. If it was Scotsman leading I would have expected 5Z72I also wonder which steamer will be leading, I don’t really mind which one, but I would quite like to know if anyone has any ideas.
Z does not mean freight. It’s used for special movements / moves outside of the normal timetable. There’s plenty of passenger trains that run as 1Z or 2Z.It will definitely be both, Tornado runs to NRM under 5Z63 on the Friday, 5 indicating it'll have it's support coach, Z being freight, and 63 indicating 60163, it's what Tornado usually runs under. I wonder whether DB are holding back the timetable until tonight or tomorrow just to reduce the amount of people who will see it, therefore reducing risk (I think this may have been done before), just a theory though.
Yeah and I suppose it makes the coupling at York easier, set up Scotsman and Support in the entrance, back Tornado and support onto that, call it a day. If all this speculation is the case, the consist will be:If would make sense for Scotsman to be leading as they would couple that on to the front of Tornado at the NRM. But the headcode suggest that Tornado will be leading. If it was Scotsman leading I would have expected 5Z72
I would expect them to double head not have a coach between the locos. Make it much easier at the other end to get the support coaches out of the way. Also would be line of sight issues for the crew of the rear engine if they had a coach in front of themYeah and I suppose it makes the coupling at York easier, set up Scotsman and Support in the entrance, back Tornado and support onto that, call it a day. If all this speculation is the case, the consist will be:
NRM -> Toton: 60163 + 99249 (Tornado support coach) + 60103 + 99953 (FS Support coach)
Toton -> GCRN: 60163 + 99249 + 60103 + 99953 + Cl.66
However that relies on everything mentioned so far being true, so don’t bank on it.
Would the line of sight not be an issue anyways with a Scotsman + 2 support coaches on the back, hence the need for the shed from TotonI would expect them to double head not have a coach between the locos. Make it much easier at the other end to get the support coaches out of the way. Also would be line of sight issues for the crew of the rear engine if they had a coach in front of them
Yeah that’s why they need the diesel but for when they are running to Toton you have it as having tornado support coach Scotsman support coach in that order when I’m fairly certain they will double head and have 2 support coaches behind themWould the line of sight not be an issue anyways with a Scotsman + 2 support coaches on the back, hence the need for the shed from Toton
Yup, good to see NRM Have organised it to be Torndado, Scotsman, Support coaches, awaiting news on what red shed is on the rear from TotonConvoy on its way Tornado leading Flying Scotsman
Will be great to get the 20 haulage!Got to see the consist at Ruddington, the shed was left at 50 steps in the end, and the 2 steamers did lead the 2 supports. Glad they opened up the heritage centre to let people in, Tornado sat in the middle road for a bit with Scotsman on the smaller platform, the 20 was stabled on the main platform with a long rake of stock, stretching from the runaround points to the bottom of the platform. Asked some of the people there, they said that the stock is on loan from a handful of groups around the area, and the 20 will be the support loco for all services.
Edit: Also worth mentioning, it appears on the journeys the 20 will be leading out of Ruddington (cab end first) with the kettle on the back.

Yeah, hoping to see Tornado on the 1100 tomorrow during the Model Rail show, maybe see it coming back too.Will be great to get the 20 haulage!![]()
The Hotchley Hill would probably be a manual entry. It passed Loughborough South Junction at 1806 so 1900 sounds about right for Ruddington.Yeah, hoping to see Tornado on the 1100 tomorrow during the Model Rail show, maybe see it coming back too.
Another thing was that according to tie timetable, the consist arrived into Hotchley Hill on time at 1849, however the set arrived into Ruddington just gone 1900, does that mean the consist would’ve gone a tad over the 25mph speed limit along GCRN, and if so is this a frequent occurrence that trains along GCR and GCRN alike often go over the speed limit?
Don’t those 25mph speed limits only apply if public on board.Yeah, hoping to see Tornado on the 1100 tomorrow during the Model Rail show, maybe see it coming back too.
Another thing was that according to tie timetable, the consist arrived into Hotchley Hill on time at 1849, however the set arrived into Ruddington just gone 1900, does that mean the consist would’ve gone a tad over the 25mph speed limit along GCRN, and if so is this a frequent occurrence that trains along GCR and GCRN alike often go over the speed limit?
I thought they were blanket due to the poor/lack of signalling.Don’t those 25mph speed limits only apply if public on board.
Ah ok thanks, makes a little more sense then.The Hotchley Hill would probably be a manual entry. It passed Loughborough South Junction at 1806 so 1900 sounds about right for Ruddington.
No. 25 flat restriction on the Nottingham branch.Don’t those 25mph speed limits only apply if public on board.
And according to many reports from diesel and steam galas over the months, any other time when the driver just wants to get the engine to do a little bit of workNo. 25 flat restriction on the Nottingham branch.
You may be getting confused with the Loughborough section that is permitted to run faster in special circumstances (testing, filming etc)
Ok. Thanks.No. 25 flat restriction on the Nottingham branch.
You may be getting confused with the Loughborough section that is permitted to run faster in special circumstances (testing, filming etc)