Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

[Amos390]

Was that 810019 first day in service?

No, it came in Yesterday on 1C13 to Bedford (MML engineering works cut all services at Bedford)

 

[MDB1images]

No, it came in Yesterday on 1C13 to Bedford (MML engineering works cut all services at Bedford)

Many thanks.

 

[810013]

Was that 810019 first day in service?

Yesterday was First Day

EMR website says Issue fixed so might be back out on 1F75 DBY- SHF then Return to DBY

222007 now Taken over the Diagram

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Thats officially 11/33 accepted. About time to start the 6th diagram.

There was 6 Diagrams on today (See Quote Below)

6 810s out today

DIAGRAM UNIT
DY701 810015
DY702 810010
DY703 810013
DY501 810019
DY503 810012
DY512 810018

 

[liamf656]

Thats officially 11/33 accepted. About time to start the 6th diagram.

Yeah 011 has been a long term absentee for some few months.

The 6th diagram has started today

Was that 810019 first day in service?

Second day, yesterday was its first

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They now have 10 units available for service.They should be running 8 diagrams a day now instead of 5/6.

Also testing is due to resume from Merchants Park tonight after a 2 - 3 week gap

Don't forget a lot of training is happening on the 810s, both out and about and in depots. 6 diagrams is sensible at the moment

 

[800001]

810022 commenced mainline tests last night.

 

[sycns]

No, the 810 seats are FISA Leans whereas the 800/801/802 seats are Fainsa Sophias.

I’ve travelled on a few class 810s recently, and find the seats so uncomfortable.

Compared to the Azuma’s, the padding etc is improved, however the ‘winglets’ on the seats on the class 810 essentially make them unusable for anyone over 6ft. Whilst the legroom might have been improved, the actual usability of the seat compared to the class 222 has declined significantly.

 

[ajp999]

810019 has failed on arrival at Nottingham. 1912 (1B88) to St Pancras has been cancelled due to an unspecified fault.

 

[Merle Haggard]

810019 has failed on arrival at Nottingham. 1912 (1B88) to St Pancras has been cancelled due to an unspecified fault.

RTT now says 'problem with the doors', same cause as its failure yesterday.

 

[duffield]

RTT now says 'problem with the doors', same cause as its failure yesterday.

It's very disappointing that the very latest units to be delivered are still suffering from door faults, the same as the very first units were. It seems to imply they really have not got a handle on this issue despite considerable time passing and every unit is still being constructed with this fault.

Of course, not knowing the technical details, this impression could be wrong, but it looks bad.

 

[WesternLancer]

It's very disappointing that the very latest units to be delivered are still suffering from door faults, the same as the very first units were. It seems to imply they really have not got a handle on this issue despite considerable time passing and every unit is still being constructed with this fault.

Of course, not knowing the technical details, this impression could be wrong, but it looks bad.

Yes, and although it's often been pointed out this is a different train to other 800 types, are the doors different?

 

[Bald Rick]

however the ‘winglets’ on the seats on the class 810 essentially make them unusable for anyone over 6ft.

Disagree. I’m over 6ft and found the winglets very useful!

 

[duffield]

Yes, and although it's often been pointed out this is a different train to other 800 types, are the doors different?

I do get the impression that "squashing" the 80x design had knock-on effects on nearly everything, so I wouldn't be surprised if the door mechanism had to be re-jigged because the carriage ends are more compact, and that somehow made it at least quite different and at worst sub-optimal. Anyhow in the absence of relevant facts I guess I'm in danger of straying into speculation so I'll stop there!

 

[WesternLancer]

I do get the impression that "squashing" the 80x design had knock-on effects on nearly everything, so I wouldn't be surprised if the door mechanism had to be re-jigged because the carriage ends are more compact, and that somehow made it at least quite different and at worst sub-optimal. Anyhow in the absence of relevant facts I guess I'm in danger of straying into speculation so I'll stop there!

Fair points

 

[irish_rail]

Disagree. I’m over 6ft and found the winglets very useful!

I'm over 6ft and detest them on Avanti. I'm assuming the 810 is the same seat as the 805/7 ????

 

[QSK19]

I do get the impression that "squashing" the 80x design had knock-on effects on nearly everything, so I wouldn't be surprised if the door mechanism had to be re-jigged because the carriage ends are more compact, and that somehow made it at least quite different and at worst sub-optimal. Anyhow in the absence of relevant facts I guess I'm in danger of straying into speculation so I'll stop there!

I believe one stark difference between the 810s and 80x is that the 810 doors slide outwards away from the passenger saloon, whereas the 80x doors slide inwards. Please correct me if I’m wrong though!

 

[DaveyJones]

I believe one stark difference between the 810s and 80x is that the 810 doors slide outwards away from the passenger saloon, whereas the 80x doors slide inwards. Please correct me if I’m wrong though!

I think you're right - the 80x Bodyshell tapers in at the ends, so the doors move towards the centre, there isn't enough room between the doors and windows for them to do so on 81x, so they must slide outwards.

 

[tfw756rider]

Thanks for the comparison - so on the 810s, when the doors slide open, they're right next to the cab doors? Do the 810s have smaller (shorter-length) cabs than the 80x classes?

 

[BuhSnarf]

Surely as all doors fail and require a manual override to let passengers out it must be an issue with the door controlling software as opposed to the actual door mechanism?

Unless they all go at once or the software is programmed to be that if one door mechanism won't open none will?

 

[Ziggy3legs]

Back in the day when I was involved with the commissioning and entry into service of classes 159, 165, 166 and to a lesser extent 465/466, what was often reported as a problem with the doors was simply a catch all description when a failure occurred due to lack of door interlock.

I'll say there was never an actual problem with a door. Occasionally one of four microswitches (classes 165/166/465/466) may have become slightly out of adjustment through use and so preventing interlock (although this would commonly be rectified by the train crew carrying out their fault finding procedures and identifying and then locking out the relevant doors which bypassed these microswitches, but with the door now mechanically locked closed).

But the most common reason would have been a high resistance on one contact on one of a whole series of relays in the interlock chain.

As an aside, one thing that didn't help was the use of an aerosol "contact cleaning spray", which was found to contain silicon (which doesn't conduct electricity very well!). OK to use on 110V circuits but not so good on 24 volts. Needless to say this practice stopped.

I suspect that the 810s door problems lie along these lines or with micro processors.

 

[WesternLancer]

Back in the day when I was involved with the commissioning and entry into service of classes 159, 165, 166 and to a lesser extent 465/465, what was often reported as a problem with the doors was simply a catch all description when a failure occurred due to lack of door interlock. I'll say there was never an actual problem with a door. Occasionally one of four microswitches (classes 165/166/465/466) may have become slightly out of adjustment through use and so preventing interlock (although this would commonly be rectified by the train crew carrying out their fault finding procedures and identifying and then locking out the relevant doors which bypassed these microswitches, but with the door now mechanically locked closed). But the most common reason would have been a high resistance on one contact on one of a whole series of relays in the interlock chain. As an aside, one thing that didn't help was the use of an aerosol "contact cleaning spray", which was found to contain silicon (which doesn't conduct electricity very well!). OK to use on 110V circuits but not so good on 24 volts. Needless to say this practice stopped.
I suspect that the 810s door problems lie along these lines or with micro processors.

helpful to read those insights - thanks

 

[tram21]

810012 failed today at Sheffield. Replaced by a Meridian at London.

 

[Amos390]

810018 failed as well now at Notts, arrived in 1D90, about to form 1B82, now will be 5Z82 back to Derby.

 

[tram21]

810015 has also failed in London...

 

[Amos390]

810015 has also failed in London...

Interesting this one has gone down as 'MP-Adhesion Problems', with the inbound service (1C68) going from 1E at Kettering North Jn to 7L at Kettering then 10L at Luton, 16L Harpenden Jn and up to 25L at West Hampstead Jn, arriving into London 22L.

 

[Merle Haggard]

My personal experience of what was probably a temporary 810 door failure at Kettering (no announcement about the 20' delay or cause was made, so I'm not certain) was that the Hitachi staff member and others spent some time looking intently at the area where the bottom door runner disappears inside the bodywork with the door open. Totally anecdotal I accept but suggests in that specific case an individual door problem rather than control problem.

 

[800001]

My personal experience of what was probably a temporary 810 door failure at Kettering (no announcement about the 20' delay or cause was made, so I'm not certain) was that the Hitachi staff member and others spent some time looking intently at the area where the bottom door runner disappears inside the bodywork with the door open. Totally anecdotal I accept but suggests in that specific case an individual door problem rather than control problem.

Potentially rubbish has got into the runner

 

[Merle Haggard]

Potentially rubbish has got into the runner

That's what I thought - but I wonder whether the particular design of the 810 doors (as mentioned above) make this more likely.
Because of the all-day overcrowding on EMR Intercity each vestibule on 222s are usually occupied by 3 or more people and this habit seems to be spreading to the 810s, even though they have no vestibule tip-up seats. Inevitably, some of those passengers will thoughtlessly discard food wrapping etc.

Because the 222s had plug doors it's much less likely to happen on them.

 

[800001]

That's what I thought - but I wonder whether the particular design of the 810 doors (as mentioned above) make this more likely.
Because of the all-day overcrowding on EMR Intercity each vestibule on 222s are usually occupied by 3 or more people and this habit seems to be spreading to the 810s, even though they have no vestibule tip-up seats. Inevitably, some of those passengers will thoughtlessly discard food wrapping etc.

Because the 222s had plug doors it's much less likely to happen on them.

Happens a lot on the standard 8Xx fleets, bottles etc love to get stuck and caught in the door running gear.

 

[liamf656]

Interesting this one has gone down as 'MP-Adhesion Problems', with the inbound service (1C68) going from 1E at Kettering North Jn to 7L at Kettering then 10L at Luton, 16L Harpenden Jn and up to 25L at West Hampstead Jn, arriving into London 22L.

That delay was due to it getting caught up behind another late running 810, which in turn caught up to a 360. A common issue on the midland main line

 

[tram21]

You do have to ask though how three of the six operating 810s can fail this evening though, surely something has to be done about this.

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That delay was due to it getting caught up behind another late running 810, which in turn caught up to a 360. A common issue on the midland main line

What was the issue with it in London then do you know?