H F Stephens
Member
The Highland Council need a slap for this shambles of a count!
They should, at least, receive appropriate acknowledgement for their diligent consistency.
The Highland Council need a slap for this shambles of a count!
CURRIE, Vic - REFORM UK
BURGESS, Ariane - SCOTTISH GREEN PARTY - Vote Scottish Greens - Let's demand better
EAGLE, Tim - SCOTTISH CONSERVATIVE AND UNIONIST PARTY
BANNERMAN, Max - REFORM UK
MACCALLUM, Morven-May - SCOTTISH LIBERAL DEMOCRATS
LEASK, Kristopher - SCOTTISH GREEN PARTY - Vote Scottish Greens - Let's demand better
TODD, Maree - SCOTTISH NATIONAL PARTY (SNP)
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Scottish Parliament Election 2026 results for the Highlands and Islands Regional List – Highland Council
Scottish Parliament Election 2026 results for the Highlands and Islands Regional Listwww.highland.gov.uk
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Final tally:
SNP 58 (-6)
Labour 17 (-4)
Reform 17 (+17)
Green 15 (+6)
Conservative 12 (-19)
LibDem 10 (+6)
Not too bad for Labour, good performances from Reform, Greens and LibDems, but a drubbing for the Tories.
The main reason such requests will be refused is because any British government knows fine well that they can get away with it.
Not quite - on the constituency vote (copied from the BBC)The ‘effect’, whatever the media may generally portray, is a shift from right wing Conservative (and Brexiteer otherwise non-voters) to Reform, and a fracturing of the centre and mild left, without much of an impact on the nationalist single-issue populists.
I'm not sure that the results allow you to draw such conclusions. Quoting post #22:And the fact that figures such as those in @oldman's Post #22 demonstrate that a minority of Scottish voters actually want Indyref2!
It's simply not possible to deduce how people would vote in a future independence referendum based on the recent election results.Very easy indeed. The test should be how many constituency votes were for nationalist parties or if you prefer how many list votes, not double-counting because some people split their votes between two nationalist parties. The problem with this voting system is that it encourages gaming the system as Alex Salmond tried to do with his Alba party. We could do with a proper PR system.
The BBC gives the following for the constituency vote for 68 out of 73 seats.
SNP + GREEN 41% (-8%)
LAB + CON + LIB + REF 58%
A long way from a mandate.
At the end of the day, the most recent election was about which party governs Scotland for the time being and it wasn't a referendum on independence.
The SNP leader said that if his party won a majority - at least 65 out of 129 seats - it would deliver the "prize" of securing Scotland's right to decide its constitutional future in a referendum.
I voted for parties that are pro-independence, but my main concern was about how Scotland will be governed in the next few years.
but what's the harm in asking the question again?
I didn't suggest it was. I offered some data (facts are chiels and all that) to help anyone who just saw the 'SNP/Green triumph' headlines based on seats, and argued that the way as the two nationalsit parties got well under half the votes, the result was not a mandate for another referendum.It's simply not possible to deduce how people would vote in a future independence referendum based on the recent election results.
It's possible to have a referendum on constitutional issues and continue with the day-to-day governance at the same time. It's not as if everything else stops. Whether you like it or not, the independence question is never going to go away. Why not just ask the question again and if it's a negative result for independence we can wait another 12 years? Using your logic, we should scrap all future elections because the public has decided what government it wants and there's no point in asking again.The harm would be the time, money and effort wasted in having Indyref2, the diversion from addressing the issues affecting us all in Scotland, and the divisiveness the process would cause. Not to mention that, as we learned in 2014, a defeat by any margin for the separatists would not in any way put an end to the question. Indyref3, 4, 5 ad infinitum.
But it's seats that count, at the end of the day; that's what gets any policy through parliament.I didn't suggest it was. I offered some data (facts are chiels and all that) to help anyone who just saw the 'SNP/Green triumph' headlines based on seats, and argued that the way as the two nationalsit parties got well under half the votes, the result was not a mandate for another referendum.
If we wait for a ”real and enduring " majority of votes then absolutely nothing would get done, ever, on any issue. It's not how the Scottish Parliament works. It's not even how Westminster works these days. Using your rules, the current Labour government has no mandate to do anything, nor did the previous Tory administration. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time the governing parties had a majority of votes was in 2010 and going forward it's highly unlikely that any party will ever be able to achieve this again in future.The worst thing for Scotland would be a narrow majority for separation. It would be like Brexit again - I voted for it, but it was just a protest vote; they cheated; they never told us that was going to happen; they said there would be more money for us; can we have another vote; can we have a soft Indy where we sort of stay together for some things.
If the SNP could build a real and enduring majority, in votes not seats and in opinion polls, then independence would follow easily - a negotiated separation confirmed by a referendum. But they know they can't build that support. Instead all they can do is hope that one day they will get lucky and score a deflected goal in the last minute of extra time in the third replay and we are the champions for ever.
Why not just ask the question again and if it's a negative result for independence we can wait another 12 years? Using your logic, we should scrap all future elections because the public has decided what government it wants and there's no point in asking again.
We've had five elections where the people of Scotland have chosen the SNP as the largest party. On each of those occasions the electorate has chosen to retain the same administration. Why is that? You can't blame the electoral system too much because there's an element of proportionality built-in. It's not perfect, but it's about as close as we'll get to the "will of the people" under current rules.Parliamentary elections are held at a maximum set period, and on every occasion the voters have the chance to retain the same administration or choose another. I very much doubt that, should Scotland ever vote Yes to independence, even if by a tiny margin, that there would later be another vote to see whether we still wanted it or had changed our minds, perhaps when the true cost and effects of separation became clear.
You are saying that because we were asked a question in 2014 and answered "no" that we'll never been able to ask that same question again, ever? That the answer is set in stone for all eternity. Sorry, but that's not how democracy works.How many Indyrefs should there be? One every 12 years until Scotland comes to the 'right', ie Yes, answer?
You can't blame the electoral system too much because there's an element of proportionality built-in.
Sorry, but that's not how democracy works.
The largest factors are:On each of those occasions the electorate has chosen to retain the same administration. Why is that?