Loadhaul60059
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Have they started work on any of the other 60’s yet, or is 063 the lone one so far?
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ExRes
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Certainly nothing I've heard of other than the completely uncorroborated comment that 60062 might be having work done on it, realistically it was photographed at Toton on 7th January among lots of other locos and still with that appalling vinyl mess on it
Can't find any confirmation anywhere on 60063 so far this morning, 0635 6L41 left Mountsorrel Sidings 8 late arriving Peterborough West Yard 1 early, whether it was 60063 solo, with another loco or didn't run isn't obvious (to me) as yet
Was this just a test run for 60063 or was it a revenue earning service?
ExRes
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Thanks @47286Dan
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Both, this is the same type of test as when each of the Super60s were being prepared for delivery to DCR
Underway with 1328 6Z41 Peterborough West Yard to Mountsorrel Sidings then possibly VST 1600 0F54 to Toton TMD
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47286Dan
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ExRes
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Reported on WNXX this morning,
The following Class 60s have had their branding removed 60001/011/015/020/040/044/054/091/092
The nameplates have been removed from 60020/040/044/065/071/072
Most interestingly 60062 is inside the Toton paint facility (thank the Lord) --**-- Now amended to 60063 in the paint shop --**--
The following Class 60s have had their branding removed 60001/011/015/020/040/044/054/091/092
The nameplates have been removed from 60020/040/044/065/071/072
Most interestingly 60062 is inside the Toton paint facility (thank the Lord) --**-- Now amended to 60063 in the paint shop --**--
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Yeah yes taking those stupid stickers off 62 is a massive step in the right direction
Loadhaul60059
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Wonder what this means for the 60's, or is it just a bit of a 'nothing' update?
No mention of 059. Hoping it slips under the radar and in to preservation.
Great news about 062 though.
No mention of 059. Hoping it slips under the radar and in to preservation.
Great news about 062 though.
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BRX
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My impression is that DCR's project to resurrect class 60s has been quite successful - it seems they are now performing quite reliably?
I wonder to what extent DB have been watching this and whether it affects their decision making at all.
Is it true to say that 60s are superior to 66s for certain types of work (assuming they are reliable)? I think I remember reading somewhere that they can be more fuel efficient.
I wonder to what extent DB have been watching this and whether it affects their decision making at all.
Is it true to say that 60s are superior to 66s for certain types of work (assuming they are reliable)? I think I remember reading somewhere that they can be more fuel efficient.
Trainman40083
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I could imagine DCR and Land Recovery finding them very useful for work associated with new lines.
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I believe the engine used in a 60 is one of the most efficient and uses less fuel than a 66. If they could get reliability up fuel savings soon add up to serious savings over time.
Rail Quest
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Definitely for the low-speed heavy work, given their increased starting tractive effort over a normal geared shed. I'd say the benefits are greater when the wagons being hauled are only capable of 60mph, as the sheds have the added benefit of running at 75mph on empty runs when certain types of wagons (I believe that includes the JNA box and IIA biomass wagons amongst others).
ExRes
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I have been wondering though, have WNXX dropped a typo and it should be 063 in the paint shop rather than 062?
* And the answer is --- WNXX have changed it to 60063 in the paint shop
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Adrian Barr
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I think the difference between DCR's use of 60s and DB's situation is that DB have spare 66s sat around, meaning it's more cost effective to have a standard fleet of 66s even if class 60s are preferable for some jobs. Meanwhile DCR can standardise on the class 60.
60s were more suitable for some of the heavier trains - see this post and also this one - but the 66s "punched above their weight" (I remember they were initially considered as a sort of class 47 replacement intended to complement the existing type 5 fleet rather than displace it). Over the years the maximum loadings for class 66s on various trains have been increased based on experience in service, which has eroded the advantage that class 60s have in terms of pulling power.
The other main downfall of the DB 60s (along with the costs associated of keeping a small micro-fleet in service such as needing to stock different spare parts) was poor reliability - at least compared to the 66s. In DCR's case, assuming the maintenance is being done by people experienced with working on class 60s, they should be able to get acceptable reliability - but in any case they don't have the option of switching to an existing fleet of spare 66s.
ExRes
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Another false start, reported on WNXX that 60063 is still red and back outside after a very short paint shop visit, it's thought to require some bodywork repairs before painting
ExRes
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Reported on WNXX this evening that 60063 is now in Freight Grey but with no decals or branding, no confirmatory pictures as yet
AstroAreus
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Just seen someone about 60063 repaint into triple grey, not my photo, source: FB https://media.discordapp.net/attach...t=webp&quality=lossless&width=946&height=1198
Oh yessss.... That looks excellent
MboroFC
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What are the plans for 60063 please?
Spaceship323
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No one knows (or if they do, they ain't telling)
AstroAreus
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My guess it's going to be sold to DCR
Spaceship323
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The rumour is the ex-owner of land recovery has bought them but we'll wait for an official announcement. (land recovery is now owned by aggregate industries)
I doubt it, for one thing DCR are very active on LinkedIn via David Fletcher who keeps the class 60s overhaul situation up to date and also 60063 still retains the original light clusters whereas DCR change them to LED during overhaul
ExRes
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If he has bought any locos then they will be for the company that became DBI Rail Limited after the sale of Land Recovery to Aggregate Industries, DBI in turn became ESH Rail Services Ltd on 13th February 2026 with Daniel Beecroft as the sole Director
MboroFC
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Who else would it be though? No other operator has any 60s.
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Wyrleybart
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That is complicated !!
So Land Recovery was sold to Aggregate Industries, who created DBI industries.
Then DBI was rebranded, or was it sold to ESH Rail Services Ltd ?
What about those 60s parked in the quarry ? Did they also become assets of ESH ?
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ExRes
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DBI was the company taken out of Land Recovery by its former owners so not a part of Aggregate Industries, DBI has now been re-named / re-branded as ESH
As AI were not interested in the rebuilding or operation of the Radway Green 60s I think it's fair to say that they are now ESH assets although there is no obvious (to me) evidence that is the case, the other interesting question is who the owners of the Colas operated and Land Recovery branded JNAs are
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