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I Don't know if this has been asked before, but should there be a permanent fixed link between the mainland and Isle of Wight, and should it be for both train, and vehicle, or just one mode of transport

Like many, I used to holiday on the Island, as a kid, Staying in Shanklin old town, and most times we caught the train, then ferry, then as it was before 1967, an 02 hauled train to Shanklin, My first memory of seeing a Steam engine was looking at a 02. at Ryde Pierhead, but getting back to the Ferry problem,

The ferries are now very expensive for such a short crossing, and both Wightlink, and Red Funnel has problems, So would a fixed link be cheaper, even if it was a toll fee payable, and where would the best , and easiest crossing be, and if it included rail, should it be connected into the present Island line either by a new route, or by using old track beds.
 
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A fixed link is a perennial refrain on the island with constant disagreement between those who want a fixed link and those who don’t want it as they want to keep the island ‘special’ (definition unclear). Nobody ever really considers the cost as they think that someone else will pay and islanders will get special cheap tolls. No, sorry, they’ll pay islanders to use it and get the money from…um…er…

As far as a tunnel is concerned, the ‘cheapest‘, i.e, least diabolically expensive option, is between Lymington and West Wight, but this is further from London and the majority of starting points or destinations on the mainland. It is also inconvenient for most of the main population and tourist centres on the island.

As soon as you start moving east along the Solent, the costs rise: West or East Cowes dumps you in the middle of the New Forest and requires links to just about anywhere except Bucklers Hard. If you go further east, which is at least nearer the island’s main centres, you either end up coming up in Gosport, which is out on a limb, or have the enormous extra cost of going in to Portsmouth.

The idea is a non-starter in the real world due to the cost. If you live on the island you put up with inconveniences such as the travel problems for the advantages of living on the island, though what the latter are I have yet to discover after more than twenty years here.
 

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Search online for Solent Freedom Tunnel, for the campaign group that has been proposing a tunnel since around 2014. A bridge has also previously been suggested.

One of my relatives lives on the island and says that, though residents would like cheaper connections to the mainland than offered by the ferries, there is as much opposition to a fixed link on the basis that the island's roads wouldn't cope with the influx of daytripper cars in the summer.
 

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As soon as you start moving east along the Solent, the costs rise: West or East Cowes dumps you in the middle of the New Forest and requires links to just about anywhere except Bucklers Hard.
I suppose the one advantage of rail is (extremely speculatively and theoretically!) you could probably link it from a hypothetical tunnel across from West Cowes into Fawley. But I think realistically any fixed link would have to have a road element* so it's not really a goer (and also, would mean you'd have either the estuary of the Medina or the town of Newport in the way if you wanted to head towards even the existing heritage line, let alone the Island Line itself).

* I'll defer to you as a resident, but the impression I get is the ferry crossings as a foot passenger are expensive but not ludicrous - but the costs to drive across by ferry are truly eyewatering. So I assume pressure from those supporting a link is more about avoiding vehicle fares than it is foot crossing fares?
 

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I suppose the one advantage of rail is (extremely speculatively and theoretically!) you could probably link it from a hypothetical tunnel across from West Cowes into Fawley. But I think realistically any fixed link would have to have a road element* so it's not really a goer (and also, would mean you'd have either the estuary of the Medina or the town of Newport in the way if you wanted to head towards even the existing heritage line, let alone the Island Line itself).

* I'll defer to you as a resident, but the impression I get is the ferry crossings as a foot passenger are expensive but not ludicrous - but the costs to drive across by ferry are truly eyewatering. So I assume pressure from those supporting a link is more about avoiding vehicle fares than it is foot crossing fares?

You are correct: the prices for cars are the main cause of complaint and they are extortionate. Prices for foot passengers aren’t exactly dead cheap, but whether foot passengers are just used to suffering in silence or just think themselves lucky that they aren’t using a car.

There is a car-mentality on the island, even though we have a very good bus service: mine is the only house in my road that doesn’t have at least one car. I know people who will moan about the cost and then drive to somewhere with a good train service: one fit and healthy couple in East Cowes will take the car when they go to see their son in Swaythling.
 

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You could build a ropeway from Ryde to Portsmouth for much less than a fixed crossing, although you'd still need one of the car ferries to the island to continue for vehicles.
Indeed you could put an intermediate station in Gosport as it'd be on the way....

A bridge from Lymington or somewhere onto the island is also well within our technical capability, but who'd pay for it is the major question.
 

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The Ryde ferry does see plenty of foot daily commuters both ways.
 

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A fixed link is a perennial refrain on the island with constant disagreement between those who want a fixed link and those who don’t want it as they want to keep the island ‘special’ (definition unclear). Nobody ever really considers the cost as they think that someone else will pay and islanders will get special cheap tolls. No, sorry, they’ll pay islanders to use it and get the money from…um…er…

As far as a tunnel is concerned, the ‘cheapest‘, i.e, least diabolically expensive option, is between Lymington and West Wight, but this is further from London and the majority of starting points or destinations on the mainland. It is also inconvenient for most of the main population and tourist centres on the island.

As soon as you start moving east along the Solent, the costs rise: West or East Cowes dumps you in the middle of the New Forest and requires links to just about anywhere except Bucklers Hard. If you go further east, which is at least nearer the island’s main centres, you either end up coming up in Gosport, which is out on a limb, or have the enormous extra cost of going in to Portsmouth.

The idea is a non-starter in the real world due to the cost. If you live on the island you put up with inconveniences such as the travel problems for the advantages of living on the island, though what the latter are I have yet to discover after more than twenty years here.
Is there evidence from Skye, now several years on.
FWIW, the bridge has reduced to draw of 'over the sea to Skye'; and Kyle of Lochalsh station is a shadow of its former self.
As a kid the ferry crossing (then Sealink) from Portsmouth Harbour station was exciting, and the arival at Ryde Pier with the old tramway and the railway too was 'another world'.
The Southern Vectis buses on the Island were good, and still were when I re-visted a couple of years ago, and of course great velue due to my 'old gits' free bus pass.
I can see that locals must get fed up with getting 'white goods' etc delivered.
I also imagine a lot of 'locals' are in fact former holiday-makers, and many 'true locals' leave the island for jobs on the mainland, whether commuting for jobs, or for university, getting away from home for the 'high life' and/or moving for jobs long-term.
Is IoW still the'sunshine capital' of the UK?
I can't imagine the views from a tunnel being attractive- rather like HS2 ;)
 

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Unfortunately many of the ferry companies have been run into the ground by private equity. I do genuinely wonder if the rise of an increasing electric ferry fleet might help a little though.
 

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Unfortunately many of the ferry companies have been run into the ground by private equity. I do genuinely wonder if the rise of an increasing electric ferry fleet might help a little though.
I'm not an idealogue by any stretch, but one could argue it's a good thing for the tax payer that the ferries receive no known public subsidy. That comes with the double edged sword of not really having any meaningful sway. For an island that's only link to be in the hands of private operators, that doesn't feel right to me.
 

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Unfortunately many of the ferry companies have been run into the ground by private equity. I do genuinely wonder if the rise of an increasing electric ferry fleet might help a little though.

There have been mutterings and reasons for not doing anything now for a number of years. Wightlink’s Victoria of Wight is hybrid and they are talking about ordering another hybrid…sometime. However, Wightlink claim that lack of grid capacity will not be solved until 2037.
 

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The problem with a fixed link is that it can't replace the four flows (covered by six routes):
  • Lymington - Yarmouth
  • Southampton - East and West Cowes
  • Portsmouth - Ryde (Ferry and Hovercraft)
  • Portsmouth - Fishbourne
So you would still have a need for ferry crossings unless you try get a tunnel over to Gosport and a Motorway link to the M27 (M273?) to allow traffic to still flow round to Southampton and Portsmouth.
 

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There have been mutterings and reasons for not doing anything now for a number of years. Wightlink’s Victoria of Wight is hybrid and they are talking about ordering another hybrid…sometime. However, Wightlink claim that lack of grid capacity will not be solved until 2037.
The private equity firms that own Wightlink, and red funnel would most likely sell off both ferry companies, and invest in a fixed link, especially if they can extort more money from tolls than they can from the ferries,
 

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If a fixed link is to be built (preferably a tunnel), it should run from the M27 just of Junction 9, past Titchfield and under the Solent before emerging at an enhanced Racecourse Roundabout on the island.

Such a link would also need associated road upgrades on the island, including a Medina crossing, upgrade to Briddlesford Road and bypasses of Arreton, Apse Heath and Sandown/Shanklin.

If built, the Southampton-East Cowes and Portsmouth-Fishbourne car ferries would likely cease to operate. The foot passenger ferries, hovercraft and Lymington-Yarmouth would likely remain due to these not being catered for by the fixed link.

With the fixed link in operation, house prices on the island would increase with it becoming a viable commuting location for the main South Coast employment locations. Existing residents would benefit from this, while prospective first time housebuyers would still be leaving the island in droves as they find themselves priced out of the local property market.
 

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The problem with a fixed link is that it can't replace the four flows (covered by six routes):
  • Lymington - Yarmouth
  • Southampton - East and West Cowes
  • Portsmouth - Ryde (Ferry and Hovercraft)
  • Portsmouth - Fishbourne
So you would still have a need for ferry crossings unless you try get a tunnel over to Gosport and a Motorway link to the M27 (M273?) to allow traffic to still flow round to Southampton and Portsmouth.
A road tunnel from Gosport to somewhere near Fishbourne, with motorway link, sounds like the best option, I think it's highly likely that Portsmouth to Fishbourne and Southampton to Cowes, will be abandoned by the ferry companies, and will only survive in a much-reduced form, Passenger only between Portsmouth harbour and Ryde should still be able to operate, as it serves the rail market, and is the most convenient way if travelling by train.
 

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A road tunnel from Gosport to somewhere near Fishbourne, with motorway link, sounds like the best option, I think it's highly likely that Portsmouth to Fishbourne and Southampton to Cowes, will be abandoned by the ferry companies, and will only survive in a much-reduced form, Passenger only between Portsmouth harbour and Ryde should still be able to operate, as it serves the rail market, and is the most convenient way if travelling by train.
I agree. I would expect the Red Jet, Wightlink FastCat and Hovertravel would remain as they are due to being the fastest ways to travel from the island to Southampton and Portsmouth city centres respectively.
 

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As has been suggested on other threads, if there were to be a HS South Coast line you'd need to tunnel to get into Portsmouth and Southampton, as such the extra cost to extend this to the Isle of Wight would be fairly limited.

Whist it wouldn't help with car access, it would make travel across the region much easier and much faster.
 

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There have been a number of proposals for a fixed link over the years with the 1901 scheme looking like the one that got closest to happening. Had this happened it would also have been a very early application of electic power on mainline railways. Obviously electric operation avoided the issues of ventilation. The proposed tunnel was just over 2 miles

I also remember seeing a proposal for a 'low cost' tube sized tunnels project to an underground Portsmouth station, I assume at Portsmouth Harbour, obviously based on the fact that at the time the rolling stock was old tube trains. I am not sure if it was serious, or just someones flight of fancy.

In terms of an 'alternative time line' had the 1901 scheme been built developments on the island, and along the Solent would have been very different as it started in Lymington. If built as proposed then I assume something similar to the Severn Tunnel car ferry would have sprung up as motor vehicles became more common (The Severn Tunnel Car Ferry started in the mid 1920s). However large freight vehicles would still have required a ferry.

As for any future project I cannot see anything being built, the cost is going to kill it off. A road link is going to generate a lot of opposition on the Island as the connecting infrastructure (roads, parking etc) would be unable to cope, and there would be vocal oppositions from a lot of Island inhabitants. My Grandmothers family had its roots in the Island, and I can remember that during a couple of visits as a child the local population saw themselves as 'slightly different' due their island status. I doubt this has changed. A rail only tunnel, whilst useful, would surely not be cost effective.
 

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There are two tunnels from Fawley, one is across Southampton water to Chilling (near Warsash) about 10 feet (3.1m) internal diameter and carries pipes and high voltage cables (with oil cooling system).

The other is larger and heads towards the Solent and Isle of Wight, I don't know its size but it's around 5m diameter, it is officially the hot water outfall from the power station. Somewhere I have seen (possibly a book on the area) there is photo with a narrow gauge mining muck train in it, taken when it was being built in early 1960s.

No idea if the power station outfall tunnel is still usable, but as it's bigger than London tube tunnels, could it be extended and provide a shuttle to/from Cowes & Newport ?
 

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The problem with a fixed link is that it can't replace the four flows (covered by six routes):
  • Lymington - Yarmouth
  • Southampton - East and West Cowes
  • Portsmouth - Ryde (Ferry and Hovercraft)
  • Portsmouth - Fishbourne
So you would still have a need for ferry crossings unless you try get a tunnel over to Gosport and a Motorway link to the M27 (M273?) to allow traffic to still flow round to Southampton and Portsmouth.
The only reason there are four crossings is because there is no road; there wouldn't be any ferries at all if you had a dual carriageway link. The ferries are expensive and time consuming, and there are six routes because for vehicles they're all slow and there isn't the time and convenience advantage of a bridge.
 

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I Don't know if this has been asked before, but should there be a permanent fixed link between the mainland and Isle of Wight, and should it be for both train, and vehicle, or just one mode of transport

Like many, I used to holiday on the Island, as a kid, Staying in Shanklin old town, and most times we caught the train, then ferry, then as it was before 1967, an 02 hauled train to Shanklin, My first memory of seeing a Steam engine was looking at a 02. at Ryde Pierhead, but getting back to the Ferry problem,

The ferries are now very expensive for such a short crossing, and both Wightlink, and Red Funnel has problems, So would a fixed link be cheaper, even if it was a toll fee payable, and where would the best , and easiest crossing be, and if it included rail, should it be connected into the present Island line either by a new route, or by using old track beds.

Pretty much nobody supports this, as it would turn the IoW into just part of Hampshire. If it was much easier to get there it would lose its unique features (i.e. living a bit - pleasantly - in the past).
 

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The other is larger and heads towards the Solent and Isle of Wight, I don't know its size but it's around 5m diameter, it is officially the hot water outfall from the power station. Somewhere I have seen (possibly a book on the area) there is photo with a narrow gauge mining muck train in it, taken when it was being built in early 1960s.
Not sure if this is what you mean, but looking at Open Infrastructure Map, there is an underground 132kv line from Fawley which runs a short distance to a substation at Langley, before heading south as overhead wires to Lepe then burrowing underground to head to the Isle of Wight. While underground, the power line appears to branch into two, with a single circuit heading to Cowes Power Station and the two main circuits continuing to the 132kv substation on Staplers Road. Here is a photo for reference.
 

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Not sure if this is what you mean, but looking at Open Infrastructure Map, there is an underground 132kv line from Fawley which runs a short distance to a substation at Langley, before heading south as overhead wires to Lepe then burrowing underground to head to the Isle of Wight. While underground, the power line appears to branch into two, with a single circuit heading to Cowes Power Station and the two main circuits continuing to the 132kv substation on Staplers Road. Here is a photo for reference.
No those cables are on the seabed (or in shallow trench) because they appear on navigation charts re no anchors etc.

I did bit of googling and actually found a picture on a Facebook post of the tunnel I meant, which says 1963 outfall tunnel, with the muck train, might even be same photo I remember from a book

 

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As for any future project I cannot see anything being built, the cost is going to kill it off. A road link is going to generate a lot of opposition on the Island as the connecting infrastructure (roads, parking etc) would be unable to cope, and there would be vocal oppositions from a lot of Island inhabitants. My Grandmothers family had its roots in the Island, and I can remember that during a couple of visits as a child the local population saw themselves as 'slightly different' due their island status. I doubt this has changed. A rail only tunnel, whilst useful, would surely not be cost effective.
I think for a road you’d also need to vastly improve mainland roads, eg fully dualling the recent Stubbington bypass, extending it back to the M27 with a new junction, and probably altering it further so the through route is directed towards a tunnel portal nearer Browndown Ranges. Going anywhere near Gosport itself would probably be a no. You’d probably now have issues with the M27 having too many junctions so close together, ie 9, a new 9a, 10 and 11. I doubt roads are as straightforward as might be first thought.

I’ve lived north of Fareham for many years, and reckon the usual reaction to a fixed link from islanders has invariably been ‘no thanks’…
 

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As someone with relatives on the island and who has travelled constantly backwards and forwards regularly since the 1960s, a rail tunnel would be a complete non-starter.

Hundreds of HGVs need to make the crossing daily, most of these being large trucks travelling to the supermarkets virtually every hour of the day with essential supplies. Add to this the fuel tankers for replenishing the filling stations, brewery supplies for the pubs/hotels, stock for the DIY stores, car transporters delivering to the car dealerships and other general logistics, all of this traffic could not easily be carried by rail without prohibitively expensive transshipment for final delivery.

About half the islanders are not receptive to the idea of a fixed link, but if it were to happen only a road link could be useful and viable.
 

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As someone with relatives on the island and who has travelled constantly backwards and forwards regularly since the 1960s, a rail tunnel would be a complete non-starter.

Hundreds of HGVs need to make the crossing daily, most of these being large trucks travelling to the supermarkets virtually every hour of the day with essential supplies. Add to this the fuel tankers for replenishing the filling stations, brewery supplies for the pubs/hotels, stock for the DIY stores, car transporters delivering to the car dealerships and other general logistics, all of this traffic could not easily be carried by rail without prohibitively expensive transshipment for final delivery.

About half the islanders are not receptive to the idea of a fixed link, but if it were to happen only a road link could be useful and viable.

The issue with a road link is the billions it would cost in getting to and from the actual cruising point.

Yes a rail link would be harder to deliver freight, however with the current high cost of getting to the island the normal complications which typically stop rail being viable potentially go out the window.

As I said you could, for not much more than getting into and out of Portsmouth, get a High Speed rail link to the Isle of Wight.

Yes you'd need a strain box (which is costly) however you could make it one track wider than needed and run a freight train into that "platform". It should be possible to load/unload 3 trains a day.

Once there it could sit there whilst it's unloaded. There would be options as to to how that could work, however doing containers could be a fairly simple way of doing it. Where there's a need for smaller loads there's the potential to use cages loaded into a coach (see the sort of mail trains which have been used recently), this could be part of the freight train or a section behind the drivers cab on a passenger train.

Ferries would likely still exist, just fewer of them. However, you could run a Eurotunnel (car only) type service on an hourly basis times a day if you wanted to be able to totally replace a lot of the need for the ferries.

An hourly service carrying 75 cars at a time (single deck trucks) would give you about 1/3 (circa 1,100) of the peak summer capacity of the ferries (3,000 cars) compared with a road which could more than easily transport 8,000 cars a day. As such, you wouldn't materially change the capacity to get to/from the island and so the island wouldn't see a massive uplift in traffic congestion. Especially as such a car crossing wouldn't likely be much different from the ferry crossing (Eurotunnel return starts at £120 and whilst it could be cheaper, as the cost to build the Channel Tunnel was significant, it's not going to start a price war with very cheap tickets).

The thing which could alter significantly is the number of people, however just because a train with hundreds of seats calls at a station doesn't mean that many people will have to get on or off when the train is serving other places.

As it would be between Southampton and Portsmouth it would make getting to/from there much easier (and far, far easier to/from a load of other places) however other than next to the station, most of the rest of the island probably wouldn't really change that much.

The capacity on the trains would mostly be used to by people travelling between London and the various towns and cities along the south coast rather than each train taking 1,000 people to/from the island (most likely each train would be less than 50) and so wouldn't actually alter the numbers by very much.

However, rather than it costing £15 plus the train ticket to get to London (in round numbers an anytime return appears to be £53 to Portsmouth and £58 to Southampton) it could be basically included within the train ticket.

Based on the above, that would mean an anytime ticket could be £55 to London. That's likely to be enough to stop too many people from using the service, however does then mean that someone doing a day trip could have an extra £15 each to spend when they're on the island without changing their total costs.

The need to take a car on/off the island for residents reduces significantly, as the time saving from driving to (say) Andover (random town without a direct train from Southampton) which is 2 hours by train from Southampton compared to 45 minutes by car. However, by the time you're allowed for the ferry crossing (45 minutes) and loading and unloading (30 minutes) you're already at the same journey time.

Cost wise, station to station the train would likely be around £30 per person for anytime travel. At £80 for a return crossing on the car ferry, basically that's likely to be a comparable cost for up to 3 people.

If you're not saving time (and Andover is awkward to get to from Southampton, so for most other places the train would likely be much faster) and the cost is similar (unless you're a group of more than 3 and/or going a fairly long way and/or going somewhere some distance from a public transport hub) the need to take your car on or off the island reduces (for clarification, I'm not saying no one will, just that the need to do so reduces).

Yes you'd get more people commuting to/from the island, however mostly that's going to be limited to those fairly close to the station (in the same way that is the case for those who use the ferries currently).

The thing is, even if that were to be proposed tomorrow, it would likely be at least 30 years away from actually happening and so not that many people living on the island (basically only those under 40) would see an impact even within their working lifetime (as change beyond when you're working tends to have a lower impact on you) with many of them likely not to be significantly impacted (especially if they more away from the island) and quite a few wouldn't even see it within their actual lifetime (change tends to impact you the most whilst you're alive).
 

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I can see the dilemma. A toll-free route would have the same issues as roads to Swanage or the Witterings on a sunny day, gridlock. A toll would smooth things out but needs huge volumes to feed equity companies pay for the assets. Perhaps charge a non-resident tourist tax on cars and coaches? Assuming Islanders pay for the link……….
 

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The issue with a road link is the billions it would cost in getting to and from the actual cruising point.

Yes a rail link would be harder to deliver freight, however with the current high cost of getting to the island the normal complications which typically stop rail being viable potentially go out the window.

As I said you could, for not much more than getting into and out of Portsmouth, get a High Speed rail link to the Isle of Wight.

Yes you'd need a strain box (which is costly) however you could make it one track wider than needed and run a freight train into that "platform". It should be possible to load/unload 3 trains a day.

Once there it could sit there whilst it's unloaded. There would be options as to to how that could work, however doing containers could be a fairly simple way of doing it. Where there's a need for smaller loads there's the potential to use cages loaded into a coach (see the sort of mail trains which have been used recently), this could be part of the freight train or a section behind the drivers cab on a passenger train.

Ferries would likely still exist, just fewer of them. However, you could run a Eurotunnel (car only) type service on an hourly basis times a day if you wanted to be able to totally replace a lot of the need for the ferries.

An hourly service carrying 75 cars at a time (single deck trucks) would give you about 1/3 (circa 1,100) of the peak summer capacity of the ferries (3,000 cars) compared with a road which could more than easily transport 8,000 cars a day. As such, you wouldn't materially change the capacity to get to/from the island and so the island wouldn't see a massive uplift in traffic congestion. Especially as such a car crossing wouldn't likely be much different from the ferry crossing (Eurotunnel return starts at £120 and whilst it could be cheaper, as the cost to build the Channel Tunnel was significant, it's not going to start a price war with very cheap tickets).

The thing which could alter significantly is the number of people, however just because a train with hundreds of seats calls at a station doesn't mean that many people will have to get on or off when the train is serving other places.

As it would be between Southampton and Portsmouth it would make getting to/from there much easier (and far, far easier to/from a load of other places) however other than next to the station, most of the rest of the island probably wouldn't really change that much.

The capacity on the trains would mostly be used to by people travelling between London and the various towns and cities along the south coast rather than each train taking 1,000 people to/from the island (most likely each train would be less than 50) and so wouldn't actually alter the numbers by very much.

However, rather than it costing £15 plus the train ticket to get to London (in round numbers an anytime return appears to be £53 to Portsmouth and £58 to Southampton) it could be basically included within the train ticket.

Based on the above, that would mean an anytime ticket could be £55 to London. That's likely to be enough to stop too many people from using the service, however does then mean that someone doing a day trip could have an extra £15 each to spend when they're on the island without changing their total costs.

The need to take a car on/off the island for residents reduces significantly, as the time saving from driving to (say) Andover (random town without a direct train from Southampton) which is 2 hours by train from Southampton compared to 45 minutes by car. However, by the time you're allowed for the ferry crossing (45 minutes) and loading and unloading (30 minutes) you're already at the same journey time.

Cost wise, station to station the train would likely be around £30 per person for anytime travel. At £80 for a return crossing on the car ferry, basically that's likely to be a comparable cost for up to 3 people.

If you're not saving time (and Andover is awkward to get to from Southampton, so for most other places the train would likely be much faster) and the cost is similar (unless you're a group of more than 3 and/or going a fairly long way and/or going somewhere some distance from a public transport hub) the need to take your car on or off the island reduces (for clarification, I'm not saying no one will, just that the need to do so reduces).

Yes you'd get more people commuting to/from the island, however mostly that's going to be limited to those fairly close to the station (in the same way that is the case for those who use the ferries currently).

The thing is, even if that were to be proposed tomorrow, it would likely be at least 30 years away from actually happening and so not that many people living on the island (basically only those under 40) would see an impact even within their working lifetime (as change beyond when you're working tends to have a lower impact on you) with many of them likely not to be significantly impacted (especially if they more away from the island) and quite a few wouldn't even see it within their actual lifetime (change tends to impact you the most whilst you're alive).
Interesting observations, but I still don’t think rail is a viable option. Retail deliveries work on a ‘just in time’ basis which relies on the retail companies logistics companies having complete end-to-end control of the process. The typical mixed loads carried are destined in many cases for one particular large store at a time and carry a complete mixture of dry (ambient), fresh, refrigerated and frozen goods together with ancillaries such as home wear products all in one pre-sorted and counted consignment. Rail can’t do this, and the various individual retailers (Tesco, Sainsbury’s, Asda, Lidl etc could not possibly afford to deliver to a rail point to ship to the IOW and then consolidate the load for the island and then regroup the loads for individual store deliveries.

Many, many islanders take their cars off the island for journeys to all manner of destinations, the vast majority of these are simply not easily accessible by rail. I personally know people who travel with their cars to Stoke-sub-Hamden in Somerset, Brill in Bucks and Haltwhistle in Cumbria all journeys which would be nigh on impossible by public transport. Also, many of these journeys mean being away for several days involving heavy luggage which nobody would want to have to deal with on a journey involving multiple changes. The only sensible option is to pop it into the car at the start of the journey and take it out at the end.

I think that a fixed link is unlikely in the short term, but if it happens, it will have to be a road link.
 

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Any Tunnel, could be similar to how the channel tunnel works, with freight wagons that carry cars, and lorries, on a shuttle operation, plus passenger trains, that would have their own terminal, depending on where the tunnel came out, if near Ryde , a short spur could link into a new station on Island line so there is an interchange,

If the tunnel was over on the west wight, then then one option might be to use the old track bed from Yarmouth to Newport and Cowes with new stations, at Newport and Cowes? That's assuming there was the money and will do it. to bring the islands capital, and at least one entry point, onto a fixed connection with the mainland.
 
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