sabanda
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At a glance, the only 220 not out today (other than those already accounted for) appears to be 220004
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CR165022
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Might be. Although 004 hasn't been out since the 28th of Feb, so might not be that one if there's something wrong with it.
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They do look a bit haggered now with the old livery
AndrewJM70
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They will be due for another repaint soon?
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99009
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Can anyone please confirm the latest movements to/from Derby Litchurch Lane involving XC voyagers on Wednesday 18th March 2026?
This is what I previously posted as the latest situation in post #1808.
220023 - At Derby Litchurch Lane
220025 - At Derby Litchurch Lane
220027 - Refurbished - Departed Derby Litchurch Lane Saturday 28th February 2026
220033 - Refurbished - Departed Derby Litchurch Lane Monday 16th February 2026
Presumably one of either 220023 or 220025 departed and another 220 not a 221 (rumoured to be 220004 above) arrived?
This is what I previously posted as the latest situation in post #1808.
220023 - At Derby Litchurch Lane
220025 - At Derby Litchurch Lane
220027 - Refurbished - Departed Derby Litchurch Lane Saturday 28th February 2026
220033 - Refurbished - Departed Derby Litchurch Lane Monday 16th February 2026
Presumably one of either 220023 or 220025 departed and another 220 not a 221 (rumoured to be 220004 above) arrived?
CR165022
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220028 was the refurbished one that left Derby on the 18th.
150249
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Do we know if 220023 is definitely there as 220028 hasn't been accounted for here?
99009
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220023 has a sighting on Trainlogger on 16th February and is noted there as working 5D86 Barton Under Needwood - Derby Litchurch Lane.
I haven't seen anything about how or when 220028 got to Litchurch Lane and asked about it previously, also in post #1808.
I haven't seen anything about how or when 220028 got to Litchurch Lane and asked about it previously, also in post #1808.
CR165022
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023 arrived on the 16th of Feb and 028 got there on the 5th January on this I believe:
Trainman40083
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Is there a reason, the 4 car 220s are being done before the 221s?
220004 is still in service.
Did anyone actually see either of the 220028 moves between Barton and Litchurch Lane and return?
150249
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There were photos on Facebook of it. I can take a screenshot when I have time.
TT-ONR-NRN
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As opposed to what, the 221s being done before the 220s?
I can’t imagine it’d make much difference, there were two types that both need to be done at some point, (doing mixed formation Voyagers at random would have been silly, obviously)
But then a third of the five car fleet has firstly not long had some form of refurbishment. That third also has a different seating layout and a shop which will take longer to standardise.
And then they also technically have another carriage to think about with those, so it makes sense to wait until it’s a process the teams are more used to doing, to do those, I reckon.
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sabanda
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Is there any chance the mystery candidate for refurbishment is a 221? I'm sure that 220004 was the only unit of that class not otherwise accounted for on the day that I looked, but it's currently working a Bournemouth diagram so is obviously not in Derby!
CR165022
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Could it be 221137? Didn't that one already have a coach out with corrosion issues?
sabanda
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Was last out on Thursday 19th, so a day too late for last week's move.
CR165022
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If 220004 was the only 220 not out that day, my other guess is 221132. That's the only 221 not out today that hasn't been out since before the 18th, all others that aren't out today have been out since that run to Derby happened.
Edit: Have just checked at it was allocated as 220021 on railcam, so, case closed!
AndrewJM70
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how many diagrams for the Voyager are there on a typical day?
99009
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So, just to be sure I'm understanding correctly, on Wednesday 18th March 2026 it was 220021 that went from Central Rivers to Litchurch Lane and 220028 that went from Litchurch Lane to Central Rivers?
CR165022
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Yes correct.
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Hit by a train?
ValentaFan1974
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Yes. LNER 1E01 on the up fast I believe…
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The first few units in a programme like this tend to take longer as the facility gets used to handling them.
I'd hazard a guess that starting with 220s means the units stopped for longer are 4 car rather than 5 car, assisting with the capacity challenge.
Or it might be something completely different!
Expect to see 137 back to full length any day
BillStampy
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220028 is entering service this morning following refurbishment and is headed to Wales this evening on the Cardiff diagram.
Yes, had a rather cosy standing room only journey in the end coach with 4 or 5 others yesterday when it formed a short formed 4 coach 1S33 to Edinburgh (220018 was also initially showing as allocated up until at least 5am according to RTT when I looked)
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From my last 2 journeys one on the refurbished 220027 and the other an ex Avanti 5 coach set the temperature has been far from stuffy, I just think the new lighting and interior on the refurbished units make it feel like a totally different ambience to the old interiors.
Obviously there is the still the capacity issues, but now there are more 5 car ex-Avanti sets being used this has helped on some of the diagrams. I actually think they have got the interior colour scheme spot-on, which makes the whole experience much better.
I would rather do a 5-hour journey on a refurbished voyager or ex-Avanti one than a horrible GWR IET with the rock hard seats intense lighting and ghastly interior colour scheme.
Bletchleyite
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I'll reserve judgement a bit until I've been on one (not likely to be any time soon) but the main issue with Voyagers, the woeful luggage space provision, has not been resolved, and so I'd take the IET any day.
87031
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Some alterations have taken place at the end of the coaches for more luggage but they should of modified the overhead storage as it's still a problem with the bigger suitcases above carry on size. I'm guessing that there is some reason why they ain't done this.
Bletchleyite
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It'd be quite a big job as (like Pendolinos) it contains ducting, cabling etc, as does the annoying "bulge" above it. Yet another design flaw of these "excellent" units
