SWR 455 twilight diagrams/workings

[brick60000]

5712+5732 now Running 5M64 VSTP ECS to London Waterloo

And back in service to Guildford. Bizarre. I wonder why they didn’t just run it in service, express from Chessington North, rather than spend 5 mins or so turfing everybody off?

 

[TEW]

Likely a fault that required the train to be taken out of service, but was then able subsequently to be rectified by fitters at Waterloo. Generally on SWR the priority is clearing the line, which may mean isolating safety systems requiring the train to come out of service, then moving it somewhere more convenient for the fault to be rectified.

 

[Cravens]

According to someone on the ever reliable Facebook, some kids busted the doors on the Chessington run, but not so badly it couldn’t run to Guildford and back

 

[Meglos]

Managed to get my final 455 run on the 22:45 Guildford to Leatherhead. Surprisingly there didn't appear to be anyone taking photo's at Guildford

 

[Stephen42]

5712+5732 are allocated to be back out this afternoon

5F91 1554 WIMBLEDON PARK DEPOT SDGS - LONDON WATERLOO 1634
2F91 1702 LONDON WATERLOO - GUILDFORD 1759
2G58 1804 GUILDFORD - LONDON WATERLOO 1907
2M57 1917 LONDON WATERLOO - CHESSINGTON S 1953
2M64 2010 CHESSINGTON S - LONDON WATERLOO 2046
2D63 2053 LONDON WATERLOO - GUILDFORD 2202
2D78 2245 GUILDFORD - LONDON WATERLOO 2356
5Y68 0007 LONDON WATERLOO - WIMBLEDON PARK DEPOT SDGS 0054

Similar diagram to last week, replacing a 450 pair that's covering for 458/4s.

 

[Siemens Staines]

A bit of a shuffle since before lunch with the 455s replacing 450035 + 450026 that had been allocated 2F91. Those 450s are now allocated to 2V51 replacing 458533 which itself was replacing a pair of 458/4. 458533 now has no allocation. As usual, the root cause looks to be the low 458/4 availability, with currently only 15 458/4s allocated to this evenings peak (22 diagrams).

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The 455s are having a trip to Weybridge this morning vice 2*458/4

5712 + 5732
5S07 0515 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to London Waterloo
2S07 0552 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S16 0733 Weybridge to London Waterloo
5Y82 0910 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs

07:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 08:59 will no longer call at Virginia Water.
Last Updated:17/03/2026 04:54

The number of 458/4s in use has increased from 15 yesterday evening to 17 this morning for 22 diagrams.

 

[Rail_Sussex]

5712 + 5732 this morning on - 2S07 & 2S16! Wonder if both units will come back out later on 2F91 17.02 Waterloo to Guildford or something like 2S45 Waterloo to Weybridge?

 

[CallmeDave]

5712 + 5732 this morning on - 2S07 & 2S16! Wonder if both units will come back out later on 2F91 17.02 Waterloo to Guildford or something like 2S45 Waterloo to Weybridge?

455/7
5712 32


1554 5F91 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs - London Waterloo
1702 2F91 London Waterloo - Guildford
1804 2G58 Guildford - London Waterloo
1917 2M57 London Waterloo - Chessington South
2010 2M64 Chessington South - London Waterloo
2053 2D63 London Waterloo - Guildford
2245 2D78 Guildford - London Waterloo

 

[bluesky]

Couple of people on Facebook saying today is their last day, not sure where they got it from

 

[ls2270]

Couple of people on Facebook saying today is their last day, not sure where they got it from

I have it on good authority this Friday will be the last day, subject to the usual caveats of no unit defects arising etc.

 

[bluesky]

I might manage one last ride then

 

[Rich the Eagle]

* Class 455 Allocations - Wed 18th Mar *

5712+5732

5S07 0515 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to London Waterloo (ECS)
2S07 0552 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S16 0733 Weybridge to London Waterloo
5Y82 0910 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs (ECS)

5F91 1554 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to London Waterloo (ECS)
2F91 1702 London Waterloo to Guildford (via Woking)
2G58 1804 Guildford to London Waterloo (via Cobham)
2M57 1917 London Waterloo to Chessington South
2M64 2010 Chessington South to London Waterloo
2D63 2053 London Waterloo to Guildford (via Epsom)
2D78 2245 Guildford to London Waterloo (via Epsom)
5Y68 0007 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs (ECS)

 

[SWT_USER]

Two units left and still they are running them on one of the two diagrams across the network where they have to cancel stops. There must be a better way!

 

[Goldfish62]

Two units left and still they are running them on one of the two diagrams across the network where they have to cancel stops. There must be a better way!

A bit limited as they're standing in for 458/4s which are highly restricted as to where they can operate.

But it will no longer matter in a few days time!

 

[Towers]

A bit limited as they're standing in for 458/4s which are highly restricted as to where they can operate.

But it will no longer matter in a few days time!

Is there an expected plan for ‘in a few days time’ once there are no 455s available to cover the diagrams which they currently seem to be covering most days?!

 

[adc82140]

Two 450s are being released by a new 701 diagram next week (see the 701 introduction thread), so at a guess those two units can fill the shortfall that the 455s have been covering this week.

 

[CallmeDave]

5712 5732 allocated this PM To the usual. 1702 to Guildford etc.

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5712 5732 allocated this PM To the usual. 1702 to Guildford etc.

1554 5F91 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs - London Waterloo
1702 2F91 London Waterloo - Guildford
1804 2G58 Guildford - London Waterloo
1917 2M57 London Waterloo - Chessington South
2010 2M64 Chessington South - London Waterloo
2053 2D63 London Waterloo - Guildford
2245 2D78 Guildford - London Waterloo

 

[tcw217]

Why couldn’t 701 be allocated to some of the routes that are diagrammed for 458/4? Are there any restrictions for 701 to run on those lines? I just don’t see why 450s are given the priority to vice those 458/4 diagrams…

 

[swr444]

Why couldn’t 701 be allocated to some of the routes that are diagrammed for 458/4? Are there any restrictions for 701 to run on those lines? I just don’t see why 450s are given the priority to vice those 458/4 diagrams…

Because 450s are a nuisance on the reading and weybridge line, and the units can be used to strengthen other services

 

[Peter Sarf]

Why couldn’t 701 be allocated to some of the routes that are diagrammed for 458/4? Are there any restrictions for 701 to run on those lines? I just don’t see why 450s are given the priority to vice those 458/4 diagrams…

There are not enough 701s tested and ready yet. Upthread it seems there should have been enough 701s to see off the last of the 455s BUT the 458s are suffering poor availability.

So the last pair of 455s has to cover (via an allocation shuffle I believe).

 

[lcg]

5712 + 5732 stuck at Chessington South due to trespassers at Chessington South.

Edit: Now on the move.
Edit 2: Running fast from Raynes Park to London Waterloo.

 

[Meglos]

5712 + 5732 stuck at Chessington South due to trespassers at Chessington South.

Edit: Now on the move.
Edit 2: Running fast from Raynes Park to London Waterloo.

On both Monday and Tuesday the 455 units got 'tagged' by graffiti artists vandals whilst at Chessington South. On both nights Wimbledon removed the grafitti. Presumably BTP were waiting at Chessington South last night for them.

 

[CallmeDave]

5712 5732 same again as below

1702 2F91 London Waterloo - Guildford
1804 2G58 Guildford - London Waterloo
1917 2M57 London Waterloo - Chessington South
2010 2M64 Chessington South - London Waterloo
2053 2D63 London Waterloo - Guildford
2245 2D78 Guildford - London Waterloo

 

[Towers]

On both Monday and Tuesday the 455 units got 'tagged' by graffiti artists vandals whilst at Chessington South. On both nights Wimbledon removed the grafitti. Presumably BTP were waiting at Chessington South last night for them.

I do hope so, that’s excellent work if so

 

[Bikeman78]

5712 5732 same again as below

1702 2F91 London Waterloo - Guildford
1804 2G58 Guildford - London Waterloo
1917 2M57 London Waterloo - Chessington South
2010 2M64 Chessington South - London Waterloo
2053 2D63 London Waterloo - Guildford
2245 2D78 Guildford - London Waterloo

Hopefully with the graffiti removed. This is the eighth consecutive weekday that this turn has produced 455s. Slightly bizarre that it didn't produce once between December 23rd and Tuesday last week, then it became the favourite turn.

 

[lcg]

On both Monday and Tuesday the 455 units got 'tagged' by graffiti artists vandals whilst at Chessington South. On both nights Wimbledon removed the grafitti. Presumably BTP were waiting at Chessington South last night for them.

I see. The same thing happened last night (on 5712). I didn’t realise until I saw the graffiti after getting off the train at Waterloo. I didn’t notice BTP presence at Chessington South, although I was at the other end of the platform.

 

[Ian Hardy]

5712 & 5732 missed their early morning return trip to Weybridge this morning, but at least people could get on and off the UP service at Virginia Water today, which they weren't able to do on Tuesday and Wednesday.

 

[MasterPhillips]

5712 & 5732 missed their early morning return trip to Weybridge this morning, but at least people could get on and off the UP service at Virginia Water today, which they weren't able to do on Tuesday and Wednesday.

It really is poor that they chose those services, let alone two days in a row. Surely there would be a way to put the 455s on a different morning only diagram.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

It really is poor that they chose those services

With the ongoing changes moving so fast it is not always possible to come to the 'best optimum' decision at short notice. It's not just about 455's as units, but also other types in the associated mix (458/450), and crew availability (ie: those crews who still retain 455 traction knowledge), and any stock diagrams that (now) start and finish at Wimbledon depot (from the 455 angle).

There will be other diagrams that run all day that start and finish at Wimbledon depot, but most such stock diagrams will involve crews from other depots at some point during any given day, most of which will now have lost 455 knowledge, and there is just not the time to start re arranging crew diagrams at such short notice, so the planners/controllers will have limited options! That's the reality of such stock transitions.

 

[MasterPhillips]

With the ongoing changes moving so fast it is not always possible to come to the 'best optimum' decision at short notice. It's not just about 455's as units, but also other types in the associated mix (458/450), and crew availability (ie: those crews who still retain 455 traction knowledge), and any stock diagrams that (now) start and finish at Wimbledon depot (from the 455 angle).

There will be other diagrams that run all day that start and finish at Wimbledon depot, but most such stock diagrams will involve crews from other depots at some point during any given day, most of which will now have lost 455 knowledge, and there is just not the time to start re arranging crew diagrams at such short notice, so the planners/controllers will have limited options! That's the reality of such stock transitions.

I understand that, but it’s surely not beyond controllers ability to do a set swap with another type of stock. There will be plenty of services at Waterloo at around 0900 which is when the diagram heads back to Wimbledon. As long as the 455 is initially put on a diagram which is at Waterloo around that time it can then be switched to become 5Y82 to Wimbledon, with the other stock then continuing on whatever diagram the 455 had initially been put on.