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I have a couple of mid-week trips planned to Leeds with unknown outbound and return times but travelling "off-peak". Are there any reasonable get arounds LNER's new ticketing system that will give me flexibility without having to get a full priced anytime return. Also how do you select their 70min flex ticket if I am forced down that route? I thought I was reasonable au fait with ticket buying but LNER's ticketing system has me very confused.
 
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I have a couple of mid-week trips planned to Leeds with unknown outbound and return times but travelling "off-peak". Are there any reasonable get arounds LNER's new ticketing system that will give me flexibility without having to get a full priced anytime return.
You need to buy singles now.

(Except for loophole fares, which would get removed if they were published; you can find them by spending the time looking at BRFares.com or alternatively by attending a forum walk/meal/fares workshop, where such information can be shared without pricing managers making changes that result in higher prices being paid by everyone)
Also how do you select their 70min flex ticket if I am forced down that route?

They are not yet available from Leeds, but from Newcastle, here's how:

First, choose the cheapest train within the time window you are happy with, not necessarily the train you want:

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Then click "change ticket selection", and then choose 70 min flex single:

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I thought I was reasonable au fait with ticket buying but LNER's ticketing system has me very confused.
The old pricing was extremely "complicated" according to LNER, as you simply bought a return ticket with some restrictions and were able to excess it by paying the difference if the restrictions were too onerous. This is simply not acceptable to LNER as it limits their revenue.

It is now much "simpler" in the world of LNER-speak, as you buy two lots of tickets for each journey, and you also need to book trains you do not want to catch, to get the best price, as this is considered by LNER to be far, far easier than understanding a concept such as "not valid to arrive into King's Cross before 11:17" which is apparently "outdated".

Of course, other benefits for LNER include that you can't get a refund, and that your ticket is restricted to a 140min window instead of many hours, and there is a greater chance you will have to buy a whole new ticket again. Oh, and they got rid of fares regulation, so they can really ramp up the price at weekends.

LNER are also very keen for people to "book direct", as otherwise people will pay less through split ticketing; this provides the best possible deal for "taxpayers" (i.e. the Government's priority, being car drivers who pollute the planet and don't use the train).
 
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Also how do you select their 70min flex ticket if I am forced down that route?
There are no 70min flex fares for journeys to Leeds, so you won't be forced down that route.
Are there any reasonable get arounds LNER's new ticketing system that will give me flexibility without having to get a full priced anytime return.
Fares from London to Leeds which afford flexibility are Anytime Singles or Super Off Peak Singles - there are no return fares. Both afford some flexibility but only the Anytime allows the journey to be split over a couple of days. Should you feel that having a flexible return ticket is essential, you will need to find a journey that is valid on the direct trains to Leeds but not priced by LNER - this would most likely involve a fare to somewhere close to the borders of Yorkshire and Lancashire.
 

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Thanks, I didnt realise they were not available to Leeds, explains why I can't find them.
Yep the 70 min flex will be available once LNER have abolished those pesky Super Off Peaks

For Newcastle to London, this has allowed LNER to charge £200+ each way on weekends; see screenshot below

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Image shows LNER site charging £200.88 for NCL - KGX this Sunday 22nd March at 1307,1358, 1558 while the 1457 is £318.20. These prices can be circumvented, e.g. by using the forum's ticketing site, but these are the prices LNER want people to pay from Newcastle to London, and this methodology is planned to be extended to journeys from Leeds to London

Now you can see why LNER are so keen to abolish Super Off Peak Singles from Leeds to London (having already abolished all Returns, as well as Off Peak fares).

You may want to contact your MP about the impending huge price rises that will be extended to journeys such as Leeds to London, if LNER get their way.

Always remember that in LNER-speak, "simple" ticketing absolutely means more expensive ticketing (while they may offer some 'headline' cheap fares at unpopular times, the key thing for LNER is that the prices are considerably more expensive at the times most people actually want to travel!)
 

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Is the apparent "surge pricing" (= 1st class only?) for the 1457 Southbound LNER service from Newcastle on Sunday possibly due to it being an hour or so after full time has been blown in the Newcastle United vs Sunderland football match (Noon kick off)?
 

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Is the apparent "surge pricing" (= 1st class only?) for the 1457 Southbound LNER service from Newcastle on Sunday possibly due to it being an hour or so after full time has been blown in the Newcastle United vs Sunderland football match (Noon kick off)?
Probably not, unless there are numerous Newcastle supporters who live in York & south. I guess the 22nd March is a Sunday where service levels are reduced to an hourly service via the Durham Coast.

See similar last year when Newcastle got to the League Cup final, and something like a cup final you will be very brave booking fixed train tickets for unless you leave a large margin for potential extra time/penalties/trophy lifting etc
 
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