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I have a real problem with people who claim to be upholding Christian values, whilst at the same time totally ignoring those self-same values as taught by the Christian church
Thankfully, so does most of the C of E. It'll be interesting to see what happens to/with the church if (massive if) Reform wins the next election. No doubt Reform will want to encourage their particular brand of faux-Christian discourse in which Jesus is an insignificant woke Palestinian man, as opposed to the Christian values as preached by most of the major denominations for years...
 
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The party's youngest council leader is facing a no confidence vote less than year into the post:


The UK's youngest council leader is facing a vote of no confidence after being accused of bringing the authority "into disrepute".

Reform UK's George Finch, who leads Warwickshire County Council, was appointed last summer at the age of 19.

Green Party councillors called for a vote on Finch's position at the next full council meeting on 17 March, suggesting he has "abused the office of leader".

Finch has responded to the motion of no confidence by labelling it "a political stunt".

Warwickshire Green Party group leader Jonathan Chilvers said the motion had been submitted due to incidents including a dispute with police over their handling of a case involving the rape of a 12-year-old girl and a row with the council's chief executive, Monica Fogarty, over Pride flags.

Chilvers said: "George Finch has abused the office of leader of the council and time and again brought Warwickshire into disrepute.

"His repeated attacks on staff, partner institutions and use of his role for constant cheap and nasty political points scoring is unacceptable and violates rule of law, democratic norms and basic decency."
 

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Fish is not a major source of nutrition for the UK. We just don't eat it.

Sorry to be slow to post; but has the consumption of fried fish and chips in England really ceased? Anecdotally, still seems to be popular round here.

Personally my breakfast includes mackerel or kippers, suggested by my optician to slow the development of macular degeneration. Usually the cheap prepared supermarket stuff, just needs grilling for a few minutes. But, similarly to the above, I've recently learnt from a comedian on The News Quiz (R4) that 'absolutely no-one eats mackerel' (in the context of fishing quotas),
 

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Sorry to be slow to post; but has the consumption of fried fish and chips in England really ceased? Anecdotally, still seems to be popular round here.

Personally my breakfast includes mackerel or kippers, suggested by my optician to slow the development of macular degeneration. Usually the cheap prepared supermarket stuff, just needs grilling for a few minutes. But, similarly to the above, I've recently learnt from a comedian on The News Quiz (R4) that 'absolutely no-one eats mackerel' (in the context of fishing quotas),
Many traditional fish and chip shops have gone by the wayside, or at least replaced by more generic fast food outlets who whilst still offering fish and chips don't use traditional methods and thus their offerings are not up to scratch. So whilst it hasn't ceased, certainly it's a lot harder to find good quality fish n chips.
 

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A suggestion that Farage has now u-turned on wanting us to participate in the US’s latest forever war. Not because it might be the ethically correct thing to do of course, and definitely not because he flew to the US (presumably to “represent Clacton on the world stage”) to be ignored by Trump again, but because he thinks we don’t have the military resources to do it.


On Tuesday, Farage said: “There are differing opinions as to whether we should physically join the attacks. I, as leader, am saying to you, if we can’t even defend Cyprus, let’s not get ourselves involved in another foreign war.”

This contrasts with his first public comments after the start of the war, when he said that he was in favour of “regime change” in Iran and told a press conference in Westminster: “We should do all we can to support the operation.”

Sorry to be slow to post; but has the consumption of fried fish and chips in England really ceased? Anecdotally, still seems to be popular round here.
Not in my bit of Cornwall either. Every village still has a dedicated chip shop, and in Bodmin there’s a chip shop in a van that is semi permanently stationed in an empty field and operate as a kind of drive-thru. They used to have fixed premises but apparently decided to go van-only at some point. The queues stretching around the field would suggest they’re doing well.
 

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Sorry to be slow to post; but has the consumption of fried fish and chips in England really ceased? Anecdotally, still seems to be popular round here.

Personally my breakfast includes mackerel or kippers, suggested by my optician to slow the development of macular degeneration. Usually the cheap prepared supermarket stuff, just needs grilling for a few minutes. But, similarly to the above, I've recently learnt from a comedian on The News Quiz (R4) that 'absolutely no-one eats mackerel' (in the context of fishing quotas),
I think on average people's consumption of it has gone down.

Friday night chippy tea used to be a weekly routine for many on our street, but I don't see that any more. Also a few of the classic chippies have either shut down or diversified into doing pizzas and kebabs now, so they're sorta jack of all trades, master of none.

With the younger generations being more health conscious, I imagine fried food places becoming more of an occasional treat than a staple, and deep fried chips being less popular.

The exception will always be coastal towns who thrive on chippies!
 

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My usual news source, the BBC, seems to have missed the comedy of Farage going to Mar-a-lago intending to discuss the Chavos deal with Trump at a dinner. Trump stayed away.

Nigel Farage to discuss Chagos Islands deal at Mar-a-Lago dinner with Donald Trump tonight (Guardian)

Farage misses out on Trump meeting as their relationship cools​

British populist politician aimed to reinforce his view about the UK’s Chagos Islands deal in conversation with US president. (Financial Times)
 

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I think on average people's consumption of it has gone down.

Friday night chippy tea used to be a weekly routine for many on our street, but I don't see that any more. Also a few of the classic chippies have either shut down or diversified into doing pizzas and kebabs now, so they're sorta jack of all trades, master of none.

With the younger generations being more health conscious, I imagine fried food places becoming more of an occasional treat than a staple, and deep fried chips being less popular.

The exception will always be coastal towns who thrive on chippies!

Having been using my bus pass a bit recently in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire, I was surprised (and I noticed before this topic came up) just how many chippies there still are - yes, they might (but not all) be doing other things, but they still call themselves fish and chip shops. As for quality, let's be honest - some of them have always been rubbish (greasy, more batter than fish), but they're still here!

I'm not sure at all about younger generations being more health conscious - some youngsters yes (probably the more educated ones), but others? Overweight teenagers seem to be far more prevalent than they were in the 60/70's.

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My usual news source, the BBC, seems to have missed the comedy of Farage going to Mar-a-lago intending to discuss the Chavos deal with Trump at a dinner. Trump stayed away.



"Mr Trump, there's a Nigel Farage to see you"
"Who?"
"That's what we said"

Private Eye are going to love that.
 

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Multiple members of Deform all getting their knickers in a twist on the ‘wokeness’ of removing Churchill et all from bank notes. Ignoring that there was a consultation. Ignoring it’s a focus of British wildlife.
 

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Multiple members of Deform all getting their knickers in a twist on the ‘wokeness’ of removing Churchill et all from bank notes. Ignoring that there was a consultation. Ignoring it’s a focus of British wildlife.
Also ignoring that Churchill was a Liberal for much of his political career, and as Leader of the Opposition and later PM allowed the development of Butskellism
 

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Also ignoring that Churchill was a Liberal for much of his political career, and as Leader of the Opposition and later PM allowed the development of Butskellism

And also ignoring that he wasn’t on the note prior to 2016 and I don’t recall them being up in arms about it then, or indeed campaigning to have him used on a note

Grandstanding opportunists and nothing more
 

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Multiple members of Deform all getting their knickers in a twist on the ‘wokeness’ of removing Churchill et all from bank notes. Ignoring that there was a consultation. Ignoring it’s a focus of British wildlife.
The latest battle in the culture wars. It makes me laugh how ‘snowflakey’ people like this are, yet accuse the left of being the worst ‘snowflakes’ of all.
I’m surprised they haven’t suggested just covering all our notes in the Union Flag. Watch this space!
 

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The latest battle in the culture wars. It makes me laugh how ‘snowflakey’ people like this are, yet accuse the left of being the worst ‘snowflakes’ of all.
I’m surprised they haven’t suggested just covering all our notes in the Union Flag. Watch this space!

But then every note would be the same colour as Reform have a big problem with people adapting the colours of the Union flag *




* apart from when they do it
 

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Having been using my bus pass a bit recently in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire, I was surprised (and I noticed before this topic came up) just how many chippies there still are - yes, they might (but not all) be doing other things, but they still call themselves fish and chip shops. As for quality, let's be honest - some of them have always been rubbish (greasy, more batter than fish), but they're still here!

I'm not sure at all about younger generations being more health conscious - some youngsters yes (probably the more educated ones), but others? Overweight teenagers seem to be far more prevalent than they were in the 60/70's. Was
Knowing that area very well, especially many of the ex mining communities, you are right. The fish and chip shops are still there, but they are small in number compared to all the other fast food/ take away businesses which have opened up during the last few years. In many of these somewhat rundown ex mining communities the high streets have completely changed.

The traditional local family owned independent businesses that have been there for years have almost all disappeared. Butchers, greengrocers, bakers, fishmongers, clothes shops, shoe shops, hardware and household, electrical shops have all gone as indeed have the banks, building societies and even many of the pubs. Now we have once busy shopping areas looking almost deserted but full of burger bars, fried chicken shops, pizza and kebab shops, plus numerous Turkish barbers, vape shops, mobile phone accessory shops etc. Very few of these businesses are owned and run by people who originate from the local area.

These towns were always traditional working class Labour voting areas. These are now some of the areas where support for Reform is at its strongest. Lee Anderson’s Ashfield constituency is one of them. I completely detest Nigel Farage and also quite a lot that Reform stands for. However, having worked in one of these communities for almost 40 years, and knowing the people very well, I can see where the ‘I want my country back‘ mentality comes from.
 

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Very few of these businesses are owned and run by people who originate from the local area.

Surely it doesn’t matter where the people who own and run them originate from; if they are owned and run by people who live in the local area then it’s reasonable to assume that at least some of the profits will be spent locally.
 

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Surely it doesn’t matter where the people who own and run them originate from; if they are owned and run by people who live in the local area then it’s reasonable to assume that at least some of the profits will be spent locally.
In theory yes; in practice, there tends to be initial suspicion of and hostility to, those without local roots and/or connections. Makes very little difference whether those people come from the other side of the world or the neighbouring county….
 

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In theory yes; in practice, there tends to be initial suspicion of and hostility to, those without local roots and/or connections. Makes very little difference whether those people come from the other side of the world or the neighbouring county….
Really? Can't say I've ever considered or questioned anyone's origins before deciding whether to walk into their shop or cafe or whatever.
 

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Really? Can't say I've ever considered or questioned anyone's origins before deciding whether to walk into their shop or cafe or whatever.
Not sure I ever have, either ( it certainly wouldn't influence my decision) but unless you've lived all your life in diverse urban communities, I'm surprised you don't recognise the "you aren't from round these parts, are you?" (choose your dialect / accent) attitude. It is, of course, an attitude that is quickly suppressed if "you" turn out to be useful.
 

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Butchers, greengrocers, bakers, fishmongers, clothes shops, shoe shops, hardware and household, electrical shops have all gone as indeed have the banks, building societies and even many of the pubs. ........ almost deserted but full of burger bars, fried chicken shops, pizza and kebab shops, plus numerous Turkish barbers, vape shops, mobile phone accessory shops etc. .........
I can see where the ‘I want my country back‘ mentality comes from.
But surely no-one thinks Reform can bring back the butchers, banks, hardware shops, etc? They have declined due to the combination of the Internet and cheaper motoring, and I cannot see Reform stopping either of those.

Reform could probably make it harder to open kebab shops or vape shops, but that would just leave the high streets even more deserted. It would not bring the old shops back.
 

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" The good old days" as remembered by looking either through a half-drunk pint of ale, or rose tinded glasses, the reality was, that the wage you got went further then, we didn't have ripoff Britain, where the same politicians sold out the fabric of the country to their mates, and to make a few bob on the side, and now those same people claim to be the answer?
 

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But surely no-one thinks Reform can bring back the butchers, banks, hardware shops, etc? They have declined due to the combination of the Internet and cheaper motoring, and I cannot see Reform stopping either of those.

Reform could probably make it harder to open kebab shops or vape shops, but that would just leave the high streets even more deserted. It would not bring the old shops back.
That presupposes that “think” and “vote Reform” go together. “Feel” is more likely.
 

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Multiple members of Deform all getting their knickers in a twist on the ‘wokeness’ of removing Churchill et all from bank notes. Ignoring that there was a consultation. Ignoring it’s a focus of British wildlife.
Presumably those playing the “WOKE NONSENSE!” card have failed to notice the person that has been depicted on the £50 note for some time (for international readers who may not be familiar with British currency, that person is Alan Turing, famous computer scientist and a gay man at a time when that was illegal in the UK. He also played an important role in defeating a far right fascist regime… ).
 

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woke Palestinian man
Tell me you're a far-right-winger without telling me you're a far-right-winger! :D

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Also ignoring that Churchill was a Liberal for much of his political career, and as Leader of the Opposition and later PM allowed the development of Butskellism
Maybe worth noting that a Liberal was not the same as a liberal (the first e.g. Campbell-Bannerman, the second e.g. Nancy Pelosi).
 

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Maybe worth noting that a Liberal was not the same as a liberal (the first e.g. Campbell-Bannerman, the second e.g. Nancy Pelosi).
Indeed, but that takes us down a whole different rabbit hole
 

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Indeed, but that takes us down a whole different rabbit hole
I remember being puzzled around 1980 to hear Margaret Thatcher described as an 'old-fashioned liberal of the Manchester School', but a friend who had studied economics explained it to me. I recalled we had done Cobden and Bright, Adam Smith, etc. at school, but I flunked history O-level.
 

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Nige sent me a letter today. Not sure how he got my details but it was nice of him to get in touch. Don't worry, he is going to sort everything out. Funnily enough he didn't mention cutting council tax like he did on his last leaflet.........................

( i am not on the open electoral register so not sure if this counts for the "campaigning" exemption of the limited register - i sent it back to him with my name removed in an unstamped envelope )
 

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Nige sent me a letter today. Not sure how he got my details but it was nice of him to get in touch. Don't worry, he is going to sort everything out. Funnily enough he didn't mention cutting council tax like he did on his last leaflet.........................

( i am not on the open electoral register so not sure if this counts for the "campaigning" exemption of the limited register - i sent it back to him with my name removed in an unstamped envelope )
They appear to be targeting Bletchley.....
 

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