SWR 455 twilight diagrams/workings

[Peter Mugridge]

Because in a few weeks, they won't have that 455 to use if this happens again, which it will.

...but they should have additional 701s available for use by then, shouldn't they?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

...but they should have additional 701s available for use by then, shouldn't they?

I find it hard to believe they couldn't have covered one single diagram with a 450 or 701 today!

 

[swr444]

Yes okay, but what I mean is, on that diagram with a 455 today, would there really be no way of getting a 450 or 701 out on it without causing a short formation elsewhere? Aka - are things that tight that the 455 is the only option, or would it have been possible to send a 450 or 701 out instead? Because in a few weeks, they won't have that 455 to use if this happens again, which it will.

It's better send out a train they have sitting spare than short-forming something else, in the meantime. Things really are that tight at the moment 450 wise. There are now no depot restrictions regarding 701s as there are now enough people trained up at every depot to cover all diagrams. So it'll be a lot easier to get more 701s out once they're ready now.

 

[Train Boy]

11/03/2026
455712 + 455732 allocated to:
2J92 0752 Surbiton to London Waterloo

 

[markle]

11/03/2026
455712 + 455732 allocated to:
2J92 0752 Surbiton to London Waterloo

Pleasant surprise to see it operating this service this morning.

 

[Class375SE]

455732+712

1357 5S45 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs - London Waterloo
1522 2S45 London Waterloo - Weybridge
1703 2S54 Weybridge - London Waterloo

 

[nctd2306]

455732+712

1357 5S45 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs - London Waterloo
1522 2S45 London Waterloo - Weybridge
1703 2S54 Weybridge - London Waterloo

This diagram has got 458415+425 allocated according to RTT as I look now (but I have noticed a recent trend where I've looked at an allocation only for it to change minutes later!)

458530 is allocated to 5V51, 2V51, 2C61 etc and 458533 is on the 2C09 etc diagram.

 

[Siemens Staines]

This diagram has got 458415+425 allocated according to RTT as I look now (but I have noticed a recent trend where I've looked at an allocation only for it to change minutes later!)

458530 is allocated to 5V51, 2V51, 2C61 etc and 458533 is on the 2C09 etc diagram.

The 5712 + 5732 are now allocated to the same diagram as last night

2F91 1702 London Waterloo to Guildford
2G58 1804 Guildford to London Waterloo
2M57 1917 London Waterloo to Chessington South
2M64 2010 Chessington South to London Waterloo
2D63 2053 London Waterloo to Guildford
2D78 2245 Guildford to London Waterloo

but things could change again

 

[Class375SE]

Correct diagram change, probably driver issues

 

[Big Jumby 74]

Correct diagram change, probably driver issues

A combination of that (and on related other services) and ensuring the 455's end up back at Womble-land each night.

 

[Cravens]

5712 + 5732 (12/03/2026)

07:52 SUR - WAT

Will have to wait and see if it rocks up on anything tonight!

 

[Peter Sarf]

5712 + 5732 (12/03/2026)

07:52 SUR - WAT

Will have to wait and see if it rocks up on anything tonight!

Yesterday I noticed 455732 has gained some flowers !. A picture of a group of sunflowers between the pair of windows that are between the doors and coach ends. I think they were just on the one centre car (not the ex 508 trailer). I saw then on one side (where the ex 508 trailer would be to the left as you look at the unit) and I cannot confirm what is on the other side.

 

[ls2270]

Yesterday I noticed 455732 has gained some flowers !. A picture of a group of sunflowers between the pair of windows that are between the doors and coach ends. I think they were just on the one centre car (not the ex 508 trailer). I saw then on one side (where the ex 508 trailer would be to the left as you look at the unit) and I cannot confirm what is on the other side.

They’ve been on there a long time! If I remember correctly they were applied about 10-15 years ago when the new AC traction motors were fitted to show off their ‘greener’ credentials!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

They’ve been on there a long time! If I remember correctly they were applied about 10-15 years ago when the new AC traction motors were fitted to show off their ‘greener’ credentials!

Correct, 455 732 was the first unit thus treated and was given those decorations when it re-entered service to mark that fact.

 

[CallmeDave]

5712 5732 as yesterday

1702 2F91 London Waterloo - Guildford
1804 2G58 Guildford - London Waterloo
1917 2M57 London Waterloo - Chessington South
2010 2M64 Chessington South - London Waterloo
2053 2D63 London Waterloo - Guildford
2245 2D78 Guildford - London Waterloo

 

[Peter Sarf]

They’ve been on there a long time! If I remember correctly they were applied about 10-15 years ago when the new AC traction motors were fitted to show off their ‘greener’ credentials!

Says a lot about my powers of observation. I suppose I have not really used/paid-attention-to the South Western Division since the last new stock entered service, certainly was before I retired.

Correct, 455 732 was the first unit thus treated and was given those decorations when it re-entered service to mark that fact.

So the first converted and (one of) the last to be retired.

 

[Cravens]

Says a lot about my powers of observation. I suppose I have not really used/paid-attention-to the South Western Division since the last new stock entered service, certainly was before I retired.

So the first converted and (one of) the last to be retired.

I guess it will be the last retired now along with 5712, as 5717+5727 are all but doomed to a one-way trip to Litchurch Lane.

 

[43094]

5712 + 5732 on 2D63 at Effingham Junction tonight.

 

[swt_passenger]

They’ve been on there a long time! If I remember correctly they were applied about 10-15 years ago when the new AC traction motors were fitted to show off their ‘greener’ credentials!

I found a Dec 2015 post where I photted it at Southampton, they were testing back and forth to Bournemouth, I’m not sure when the flower vinyl was first added however:

Class 455 betwen Brockenhurst and Bournemouth

Over the last few days I have seen, from the comfort of my armchair, a class 455 (2 units) running between Brockenhurst and Bournemouth (maybe further.) Any idea what they are doing as they seem to be appearing more often than the regular trip to Bournemouth depot occasionally seen?

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[lcg]

5712 + 5732 (13/03/2026)

5C05 0450 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to London Waterloo
2C05 0526 London Waterloo to Reading
2C16 0709 Reading to London Waterloo
5Y81 0850 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs

 

[43094]

455732 + 455712 approaching Clapham Junction on 2C16 today.

 

[lcg]

5712 + 5732 allocated to the same diagram as last night.

2F91 1702 London Waterloo to Guildford
2G58 1804 Guildford to London Waterloo
2M57 1917 London Waterloo to Chessington South
2M64 2010 Chessington South to London Waterloo
2D63 2053 London Waterloo to Guildford
2D78 2245 Guildford to London Waterloo

Edit: and

1D81 0025 London Waterloo to Dorking
5Y73 0125 Dorking to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs

 

[kingston_toon]

5712 + 5732 allocated to the same diagram as last night.

2F91 1702 London Waterloo to Guildford
2G58 1804 Guildford to London Waterloo
2M57 1917 London Waterloo to Chessington South
2M64 2010 Chessington South to London Waterloo
2D63 2053 London Waterloo to Guildford
2D78 2245 Guildford to London Waterloo

Thank you! Been refreshing RTT all day and came into the office in the hope something would work tonight.

I know no-one can say for sure but is the 2245 ex-Guildford quite possibly going to be the last passenger 455 working?

 

[43094]

455712 + 455732 also allocated 1D81 0025 Waterloo - Dorking, then 5Y73 01+25 Dorking - Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings

 

[kingston_toon]

The 2010 from Chessington South appears not to have left yet. We're waiting for it at Wimbledon after going to the pub...

 

[lcg]

The 2010 from Chessington South appears not to have left yet. We're waiting for it at Wimbledon after going to the pub...

Door fault. Train now out of service.

Edit: It ran to Chessington North and was cancelled.

 

[Griffin Park]

Its at CSN but waiting for a long time now 20.35

 

[brick60000]

Door fault. Train now out of service.

Edit: It ran to Chessington North and was cancelled.

Seems to be going to London ECS for next allocated working. Lost more time explaining that to everybody & kicking everybody off…..! Not sure why it didn’t just run express, unless they had to isolate the doors.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Seems to be going to London ECS for next allocated working. Lost more time explaining that to everybody & kicking everybody off…..! Not sure why it didn’t just run express, unless they had to isolate the doors.

Note:

20:53 London Waterloo to Guildford due 22:02 will no longer call at Vauxhall, Clapham Junction, Earlsfield, Wimbledon, Raynes Park, Motspur Park, Worcester Park, Stoneleigh and Ewell West.
This is due to a fault on a train.
Last Updated:13/03/2026 20:51

 

[sad1e]

5712+5732 now Running 5M64 VSTP ECS to London Waterloo